I feel so relieved!
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I know you're being sarcastic. Although I tried to say that WW2 is "our" fault (Germany caused it). But as I read my last sentence again, I do see it's weirdly written.
Anyway, I am just frustrated that we (Germans) are apologizing forever, paying other countries huge amounts of money, etc. Yes, it was very very bad what happened during that time, but we weren't the only ones doing bad shit! The "great and free" land of the fucking USA is (TO THIS DAY) the ONLY state, that has ever dropped a nuclear weapon on another country. Or have they apologized to Vietnam? To the hundreds (if not thousands) of victims to the crimes of the CIA? Have they apologized for Project MKUltra? Or the Tuskegee Syphilis Study? I could go on, but it's already a pretty good list... Now, did the US do anything to apologize, pay compensation or anything? NO! They tried to hide it. Just like communists in China or Russia or the former USSR. And whose the biggest enemy of the US? THE FUCKING COMMUNISTS! (I am not a communist by the way, I just wanted to point out the irony.) Furthermore: China, Russia, USSR, etc. have been spying their people. Guess who is spying (not only US Citizens): the motherfucking NSA! Like with the Intel ME ( Great Video from Mental Outlaw btw ). Or EternalBlue, which the NSA exploited for years and not telling Microsoft to fix it...
Sorry, this hatred has been building up in me the last several months. But I am not hating the citizens, they (systematically) don't receive education, it's not their fault.
You're reading way too much into this. My comment was simply a joke. An absurdity. Someone so mad about being blamed for wars they go and start a war over it.
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Don't quite remember Germany being in Iraq or Lybia lately. Also, while being a bit rusty on my history, wasn't the military involvement in Yugoslavia to stop the genocide on the local Muslim, or, as you call them, brown, population?
as you call them, brown
I was obviously being critical of the disregard westerners exercise on the lives of those they consider non-whites, sorry you're too obtuse to see that.
Don't quite remember Germany being in Iraq or Lybia lately
Sorry, you're right, I mixed up German involvement in the invasion of Afghanistan with Iraq. Germany did participate in the bombing of Libya during the NATO maneuvers that ended up precipitating the murder of Gaddafi and the Libyan Civil War.
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of course not. the alternative should be a free and open society where Jews are but one of many groups.
Israel is currently sliding away from this - sadly - but it still has the potential
Israel is currently sliding away from this
It's not. It's the very conception of the state of Israel. It was funded through the Naqba, a forcible relocation of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. The very idea of the modern state of Israel is genocidal and an apartheid ethnostate
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I understand your explanation, I just think it's more believable that holocaust remembrance is most often focused on those who stand on the side of NATO
trying to understand why Germany would support Isreal despite <waves at Israel in general>
The overwhelming media directive of being pro-pissrael is in my opinion the more likely reason
I think the overwhelming media directive (...)
I don't follow German media much, so I can't comment on that. The media in Norway is typically pro-Palestinine. The pro-Isreal pieces that are published are usually debate pieces written by fringe politicians or pieces written by Isrealian officials.
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You're reading way too much into this. My comment was simply a joke. An absurdity. Someone so mad about being blamed for wars they go and start a war over it.
You’re actually right - I do spend way too much time with this.
And yes, I kinda got lost in finally having some valve open to let out my built up pressure, sorry it was you.
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You’re actually right - I do spend way too much time with this.
And yes, I kinda got lost in finally having some valve open to let out my built up pressure, sorry it was you.
Understood. None of us are immune to it; the internet really doesn't bring out the best in us.
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Where should the Israel Jews go now though?
Same place the Germans went after the holocaust ended. Same place the white South Africans went after their apartheid ended.
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They’ve made the strategic moves
Aka threatening the planet with a nuclear holocaust.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
all major terrorist factions are virtually eliminated
No. The zio regime is still fully in control of large areas of palestine. Not to mention wider imperial terrorism.
Yes nuclear powers ensure their security by threatening to use nukes this is known and not some big revelation. Its why they are so reluctant to let others join that club.
The conversation is about Isreal. I am obviously talking from the perspective of isreal who do not considers themselves a terrorist threat.
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Israel is currently sliding away from this
It's not. It's the very conception of the state of Israel. It was funded through the Naqba, a forcible relocation of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. The very idea of the modern state of Israel is genocidal and an apartheid ethnostate
would you also claim the same for the United States? Their original sin is even darker, as most natives did not move away but simply died.
Iriginal sin is not necessarily destiny.
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Nope it was always the capitalist class.
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Same place the Germans went after the holocaust ended. Same place the white South Africans went after their apartheid ended.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Most surviving German Jews went to the Levant (bear in mind that ⅔ were killed by Nazis).
White South Africans didn't experience genocide.
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There's a genocide like in ww2, but it doesn't threaten capital so every state supports it.
What are you getting at? Ww2 wasn't started over a genocide.
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Most surviving German Jews went to the Levant (bear in mind that ⅔ were killed by Nazis).
White South Africans didn't experience genocide.
Isreal is committing a genocide right now, and has been maintaining an apartheid state for decades. In this analogy, they're the white South Africans. They're the nazis.
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Isreal is committing a genocide right now, and has been maintaining an apartheid state for decades. In this analogy, they're the white South Africans. They're the nazis.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Black South African leadership did not express a desire to kill all whites. Hamas have expressed a desire to kill all Jews in the Levant so the analogy does not hold.
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Isreal is committing a genocide right now, and has been maintaining an apartheid state for decades. In this analogy, they're the white South Africans. They're the nazis.
Whether or not Israel has a right to exist, it is a childish fantasy to imagine it will vanish.
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would you also claim the same for the United States? Their original sin is even darker, as most natives did not move away but simply died.
Iriginal sin is not necessarily destiny.
Hitler famously inspired his Lebensraum theory in the US example and the Manifest Destiny doctrine. The US successfully genocided almost the entirety of native Americans. So yes, I would make a similar claim for the USA
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Fuck Iran. Their government is way worse than Israel's. Do I need to remind everyone that they're feeding Russia with the drones that they use to attack civilians in Ukraine?
Here's hoping that Iran's next revolution won't end up in a total disaster like the previous one did.
Their government is way worse than Israel’s.
You can just come out and say you don't think non-white people are human.
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equate Gaza and Ukraine with
Huh? Gaza and Ukraine are completely different conflicts. Ukraine is a military invasion, Gaza is a genocide.
No, not according to the current definition
Can you post the current definition? I'm happy to argue about that, because i do maintain that it's a genocide in the case of Gaza because there's a manifest intent to eliminate an entire people, unlike the case of Ukraine.
The current definition of Genocide is set out in Article II of the Genocide
Convention:Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in
whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated
to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.To constitute genocide, it also needs to be established that the victims are deliberately targeted — not randomly — because of their real or perceived membership of one of the four groups protected under the Convention. This means that the target of destruction must be
the group, as such, or even a part of it, but not its members as individuals.https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/Genocide Convention-FactSheet-ENG.pdf
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equate Gaza and Ukraine with
Huh? Gaza and Ukraine are completely different conflicts. Ukraine is a military invasion, Gaza is a genocide.
No, not according to the current definition
Can you post the current definition? I'm happy to argue about that, because i do maintain that it's a genocide in the case of Gaza because there's a manifest intent to eliminate an entire people, unlike the case of Ukraine.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Gaza and Ukraine are completely different conflicts.
Am just passing on what Ireland is doing.
Ireland will not be asserting if genocide is being committed, but asserting its interpretation of the Genocide Convention.
This is the same approach taken by Ireland in the Ukraine v Russia case.
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The current definition of Genocide is set out in Article II of the Genocide
Convention:Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in
whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated
to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.To constitute genocide, it also needs to be established that the victims are deliberately targeted — not randomly — because of their real or perceived membership of one of the four groups protected under the Convention. This means that the target of destruction must be
the group, as such, or even a part of it, but not its members as individuals.https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/Genocide Convention-FactSheet-ENG.pdf
By those exact metrics, I consider myself capable of judging that Israel is committing a genocide against Palestinians, and that Russia is committing war but not genocide in Ukraine.
