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    Nope it was always the capitalist class.

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      Same place the Germans went after the holocaust ended. Same place the white South Africans went after their apartheid ended.

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      Most surviving German Jews went to the Levant (bear in mind that ⅔ were killed by Nazis).

      White South Africans didn't experience genocide.

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        There's a genocide like in ww2, but it doesn't threaten capital so every state supports it.

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        What are you getting at? Ww2 wasn't started over a genocide.

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          Most surviving German Jews went to the Levant (bear in mind that ⅔ were killed by Nazis).

          White South Africans didn't experience genocide.

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          Isreal is committing a genocide right now, and has been maintaining an apartheid state for decades. In this analogy, they're the white South Africans. They're the nazis.

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            Isreal is committing a genocide right now, and has been maintaining an apartheid state for decades. In this analogy, they're the white South Africans. They're the nazis.

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            Black South African leadership did not express a desire to kill all whites. Hamas have expressed a desire to kill all Jews in the Levant so the analogy does not hold.

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              Isreal is committing a genocide right now, and has been maintaining an apartheid state for decades. In this analogy, they're the white South Africans. They're the nazis.

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              Whether or not Israel has a right to exist, it is a childish fantasy to imagine it will vanish.

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                would you also claim the same for the United States? Their original sin is even darker, as most natives did not move away but simply died.

                Iriginal sin is not necessarily destiny.

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                Hitler famously inspired his Lebensraum theory in the US example and the Manifest Destiny doctrine. The US successfully genocided almost the entirety of native Americans. So yes, I would make a similar claim for the USA

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                  Fuck Iran. Their government is way worse than Israel's. Do I need to remind everyone that they're feeding Russia with the drones that they use to attack civilians in Ukraine?

                  Here's hoping that Iran's next revolution won't end up in a total disaster like the previous one did.

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                  Their government is way worse than Israel’s.

                  You can just come out and say you don't think non-white people are human.

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                    equate Gaza and Ukraine with

                    Huh? Gaza and Ukraine are completely different conflicts. Ukraine is a military invasion, Gaza is a genocide.

                    No, not according to the current definition

                    Can you post the current definition? I'm happy to argue about that, because i do maintain that it's a genocide in the case of Gaza because there's a manifest intent to eliminate an entire people, unlike the case of Ukraine.

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                    The current definition of Genocide is set out in Article II of the Genocide
                    Convention:

                    Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in
                    whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
                    (a) Killing members of the group;
                    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
                    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated
                    to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
                    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
                    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

                    To constitute genocide, it also needs to be established that the victims are deliberately targeted — not randomly — because of their real or perceived membership of one of the four groups protected under the Convention. This means that the target of destruction must be
                    the group, as such, or even a part of it, but not its members as individuals.

                    https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/Genocide Convention-FactSheet-ENG.pdf

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                      equate Gaza and Ukraine with

                      Huh? Gaza and Ukraine are completely different conflicts. Ukraine is a military invasion, Gaza is a genocide.

                      No, not according to the current definition

                      Can you post the current definition? I'm happy to argue about that, because i do maintain that it's a genocide in the case of Gaza because there's a manifest intent to eliminate an entire people, unlike the case of Ukraine.

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                      Gaza and Ukraine are completely different conflicts.

                      Am just passing on what Ireland is doing.

                      Ireland will not be asserting if genocide is being committed, but asserting its interpretation of the Genocide Convention.

                      This is the same approach taken by Ireland in the Ukraine v Russia case.

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                        The current definition of Genocide is set out in Article II of the Genocide
                        Convention:

                        Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in
                        whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
                        (a) Killing members of the group;
                        (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
                        (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated
                        to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
                        (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
                        (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

                        To constitute genocide, it also needs to be established that the victims are deliberately targeted — not randomly — because of their real or perceived membership of one of the four groups protected under the Convention. This means that the target of destruction must be
                        the group, as such, or even a part of it, but not its members as individuals.

                        https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/Genocide Convention-FactSheet-ENG.pdf

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                        By those exact metrics, I consider myself capable of judging that Israel is committing a genocide against Palestinians, and that Russia is committing war but not genocide in Ukraine.

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                          Even if they could, they wouldn't get the resources as cheaply as theyre getting them now. Also China has recall elections, if Xi went mad and unilaterally decided to go to war with a country so important to Chinas economy, he'd be booted so fast.

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                          Ehhhh, you're only describing the other side of the calculation that we both know Xi is making. The moment that calculation shows invading Russia/India would maybe work, he'd probably go for it.

                          If the US removed itself from the global stage, I'd suspect Xi would focus more on the Pacific and Thaiwan, but if the calculations show he could own Russia/India too? Yeeaaaaa he's not passing that up.

                          Also, we all should know how China's votes go after Hong Kong... China is a dictatorship that calls itself communist. Nothing more.

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                            I'd find Germany less responsible for WWIII if maybe they ya know didn't support a genocidal terrorist ethnostate at the expense of domestically suppressing speech calling out that foreign policy, but I guess it just be like that sometimes

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                            It's very mean of Germany that foreigners who trash University property and threaten their staff violently face deportation.

                            How can they do such a suppression of free speech?

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                              It's very mean of Germany that foreigners who trash University property and threaten their staff violently face deportation.

                              How can they do such a suppression of free speech?

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                              foreigners who trash University property and threaten their staff violently face deportation

                              What are you referring to here?

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                                foreigners who trash University property and threaten their staff violently face deportation

                                What are you referring to here?

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                                About the handful "poor and innocent protestors" which the Berlin government tried to deport for taking part in a violent occupation of the Berlin Free University, which then tried to claim this was a retaliation for "simple demonstrating against Israel."

                                https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/besetzung-an-der-freien-universitat-berlin-beendet-vermummte-anti-israelische-aktivisten-sturmten-prasidium--70-polizisten-vor-ort-12550436.html

                                Here are some pictures of the damages caused inside the university

                                https://www.rbb24.de/politik/beitrag/2025/04/berlin-humboldt-universitaet-hoersaal-besetzung-protest-schaden-bilder-zerstoerung.html

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                                  About the handful "poor and innocent protestors" which the Berlin government tried to deport for taking part in a violent occupation of the Berlin Free University, which then tried to claim this was a retaliation for "simple demonstrating against Israel."

                                  https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/besetzung-an-der-freien-universitat-berlin-beendet-vermummte-anti-israelische-aktivisten-sturmten-prasidium--70-polizisten-vor-ort-12550436.html

                                  Here are some pictures of the damages caused inside the university

                                  https://www.rbb24.de/politik/beitrag/2025/04/berlin-humboldt-universitaet-hoersaal-besetzung-protest-schaden-bilder-zerstoerung.html

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                                  Awesome. And it worked because it got the media to focus on the genocide even if it took further escalation and even if it was negative press. This is an entirely righteous and historically common way to raise attention that hey our government and university is complicit in the murder of 10s of thousands of kids and civilians. This is no different than the white rose resistance. Good for these students. They are heros who are risking their education, rights, and careers to give a voice to those who may not have one.

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                                    Awesome. And it worked because it got the media to focus on the genocide even if it took further escalation and even if it was negative press. This is an entirely righteous and historically common way to raise attention that hey our government and university is complicit in the murder of 10s of thousands of kids and civilians. This is no different than the white rose resistance. Good for these students. They are heros who are risking their education, rights, and careers to give a voice to those who may not have one.

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                                    Oh so threatening innocent people with violence and thrashing public universities is righteous?

                                    Completely disgusting. Cheering criminal activities is also a criminal offence in Germany

                                    Also the Weiße Rose never attacked innocent people. So don't dirt their name by comparing them to these people

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                                      Oh so threatening innocent people with violence and thrashing public universities is righteous?

                                      Completely disgusting. Cheering criminal activities is also a criminal offence in Germany

                                      Also the Weiße Rose never attacked innocent people. So don't dirt their name by comparing them to these people

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                                      While I don't tend to idolize America be any means, at least we have of freedom of speech. You focus on a protest in the context of a native ethnic group getting wiped off the face of the earth. There is mass starvation and civilian targeting. Its terrible that one person was injured and it's terrible this is what it takes for people to pay attention, but compared to genocide? You need to take a look at your priorities.

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                                        While I don't tend to idolize America be any means, at least we have of freedom of speech. You focus on a protest in the context of a native ethnic group getting wiped off the face of the earth. There is mass starvation and civilian targeting. Its terrible that one person was injured and it's terrible this is what it takes for people to pay attention, but compared to genocide? You need to take a look at your priorities.

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                                        Wow, another comparison dumb as a rock. So if I murder an innocent person to get attention for Palestine, it's also okay, because compared to Genocide it's also not that bad?

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                                          Wow, another comparison dumb as a rock. So if I murder an innocent person to get attention for Palestine, it's also okay, because compared to Genocide it's also not that bad?

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                                          No one was killed at Freie Universität. You can keep making up scenarios where protestors are killing people but again where are you priorities? That kids shouldn't protest by occupying university building? That's a historical way university students have protested. It brought pressure to end Vietnam and south African apartheid in my country.

                                          I'm not your enemy. I just want you to know you are being closed minded. I understand violence is sometimes something that pops up in these moments, but you're missing the bigger picture. And why do you need to make fantastical scenarios when there are children being starved to death right now? What are you even trying to argue? That we should be genocidong Palestinians that we should ban students from occupying buildings at their university? I mean I think it's just odd that you can excuse killing of brown children in far away places but you can't excuse a janitor sho got injured in an occupation in protest of that genocide. It's just one sided and you should just think about it is all.

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