Have you encountered this?
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It looks like the percentages are based of a total of $37.95, so it’s possible there was a discount included that made their total closer to $30.
Maybe a comp'd desert (or app) that's ~$8 ?
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Highly doubt the server was being malicious. They aren't putting that on the receipt. It's a shitty thing for sure but it's unlikely that server had anything to do with it.
Then you’re assuming a clear pattern of fraud, not just one server cheating. That’s bigger than just not tipping
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I have yet to encounter an automatic tip calculation that doesn't base the tip on the total bill including taxes. It’s a pretty infuriating cash grab. Not only am I directly having to pay an employee’s wages so the restaurant doesn’t have to, I’m having to tip the government, too? (Yeah, I know the government doesn’t get the tip)
wrote last edited by [email protected]I've seen auto-calculated tip of all combinations of with/without tax, with/without percent discount, and with/without individual item discounts.
I wish tipping would end, by mandating a living wage for all workers from the chef to the dishwasher and including all the waitstaff and everyone else in both the front and the back. But, until it does, I try to be generous with my tips, but also kind to people that can't or are simply tired of "tipflation".
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Then you’re assuming a clear pattern of fraud, not just one server cheating. That’s bigger than just not tipping
True but still more likely. These things are built into the POS and it's unlikely that a server can alter them, and my admittedly limited experience with the industry still convinced me that if you want to find a scumbag in a restaurant it's 4 times more likely to be management than servers.
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True but still more likely. These things are built into the POS and it's unlikely that a server can alter them, and my admittedly limited experience with the industry still convinced me that if you want to find a scumbag in a restaurant it's 4 times more likely to be management than servers.
For sure, that’s the whole reason for being willing to tip. Employees asre most likely to be scammed and at least tipping makes it right for one subset of those
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Always tip on the subtotal. If your server worked their ass off for your table but you had a coupon for, let's say, 50% off 2 entrees and a birthday dessert, that's just devalued their effort by about $50.
Also, the tipping culture is broken, and this is bonkers.
I came from a tipping-optional culture and worked foodservice. If I got good tips, they went back into the bar at the end of the shift, or into my savings jar at home. It was never make-or-break on whether I got to pay rent or not.
tip what is appropriate regardless of the bill
there's no reason for somebody to get $10 more because I bought the premium beer instead of what's on special
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Give 20% tip. Get called greedy. America is truly a sight to behold.
Tip your fellow workers. Agitate for companies to pay their workers a living wage, but in the meantime - tip your comrades.
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I feels like reasoning like this is why it would never end.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Right?
Most people just pay it out of obligation, and the occasional nerd calls us out politely.
Gee, whatever shall we do?
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No because I live in Australia where the govt forces restaurants to Pay their staff in full rather than outsource their wages to the customers directly.
Edit: Pay, not Pauly.
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No because I live in Australia where the govt forces restaurants to Pay their staff in full rather than outsource their wages to the customers directly.
Edit: Pay, not Pauly.
Pauly must be busy.
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My only exception to the "pre-discount" price is when places have a "buy 1 get 1" deal and they try to make you tip based on that, but the single item price is way overpriced because of it. Happens around me a lot where they're like 3pack tacos, buy 1 get 1 $21, like yeah that's great price for 6 small tacos, but I wouldn't be paying $21 for 3 tacos, so I'm not gonna tip whatever crazy amount for a bill that "would have been" $75 or something for some tacos and a drink. Granted these are usually carry out orders, but don't try to artificially inflate my bill to get better tips because you discounted it to a lower price.
Edit before people give me flak:
I still tip fairly, but if a place tries to give me some "your bill was 100$, but we discounted it to 20$ that'll be a 20$ tip though" they can fuck off. I'll tip right, but don't try to guilt trip me with a discount when you know I wouldn't be here at all of it wasn't for the discount.Is that usd? A great price for 6 small tacos is 6 bucks, 21 is ridiculous.
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Always tip on the subtotal. If your server worked their ass off for your table but you had a coupon for, let's say, 50% off 2 entrees and a birthday dessert, that's just devalued their effort by about $50.
Also, the tipping culture is broken, and this is bonkers.
I came from a tipping-optional culture and worked foodservice. If I got good tips, they went back into the bar at the end of the shift, or into my savings jar at home. It was never make-or-break on whether I got to pay rent or not.
Does the waiter work much harder to bring a lobster than a Mac and cheese? Tips are dumb in general, but if anything they should be based on time, not food price. And they should be called a wage while we're at it. At it should be enough to live decently.
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My Dad taught me that as a kid. I'm extremely supportive of wait staff, and I'm an excellent tipper (25% is not unusual), but I'm not tipping on tax. I draw the line there.
How is that different than tipping 22% (or whatever) on the post-tax? I swear people lose all rationality when it comes to tips.
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Quite obviously through regulation.
That's socialism!!1!
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I'm surprised no one mentioned that a lot also calculate the tip after applying taxes.
Example: Meal was $40, then a 20% tip would be $8. But if taxes were $4 (making the total bill $44), then the receipt would show $8.80.
Your logic is inverted. The lines would have to have a place for folks to add in the taxes. Otherwise the math would work in the opposite direction – the calculated amounts would be lower than the amounts based on the number at the bottom. (Unless a discount was applied that’s not shown.)
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Tips in the US must be entirely out of control. In my experience, 10% is for good service, above for rare exceptional and less if you weren't entirely satisfied. Not even printing anything below 16 is insane.
20% has actually been the norm for a while. Maybe it was a bit on the upper end a couple decades ago while now it's more default, but I remember my parents tipping 20% for normal service back in the 90's. Of course, with prices soaring tipping is still getting pricier and pricier, but the expected percentage here has been relatively stable.
The thing that's out of control is where you're expected to tip now. I often see a tip prompt come up at retail stores where the only service the employee provided was ringing up the items I brought. I never tip in those kinds of situations, and I doubt the employee would see any of it even if I did.
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Your logic is inverted. The lines would have to have a place for folks to add in the taxes. Otherwise the math would work in the opposite direction – the calculated amounts would be lower than the amounts based on the number at the bottom. (Unless a discount was applied that’s not shown.)
I'm not sure what you're saying. But to expand on my point:
A lot of receipts have an area where they show you a "calculated tip" for some %s. Many restaurants calculate the tips using the total (meal+tax) rather than the subtotal (meal).
On those receipts the person still has to calculate the end amount (meal+tax+tip).
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Tipping by percentage never made much sense to me. I order a coffee at a diner, the waitress only gets a 42 cent tip? She should get more if she has to carry a plate of food? She checks on me the same amount. That's a five dollar tip at least.
Hahah in my country she gets a wage for that shit
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Why is 15% considered cheap when 15 years ago it was perfectly acceptable? A percentage is a percentage. Yes, cost of living has gone up but that includes food prices which means tips go up as a result automatically, hence the example I provided.
You said 10% for OK which is cheap.
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Wait so you get scammed but still give 20% tips? This would be an automatic 0% tip
