Signal will finally let you transfer your encrypted chat history to new linked devices

[petter1@lemm.ee]

A good time

[petter1@lemm.ee]

I heard signal dislikes forks using its server, did molly get approval to do so, or is this based on generosity until signal can ban them?

[petter1@lemm.ee]

I still wait for an option to officially use signal without having to have a proprietary operating system running 🥲

[treadful@lemmy.zip]

Uhm, anything and everything? Like what “casual bullshit” you were up to or what you were “organising”?

I'm honestly curious and your answer just parroted what I said without explanation. Are you just sitting around reading conversations from months ago for entertainment or something? What value are you getting out of keeping chats from years ago?

So you don’t even wish you could preserve those?

Not in the slightest. For what purpose would I want that? I'm not making a This American Life podcast using my inane conversations.

[mutilationwave@lemmy.world]

Wrong thread! Oops.

[mutilationwave@lemmy.world]

Wrong thread! Oops.

[toynbee@lemmy.world]

That's why "in this context"!

[toynbee@lemmy.world]

See the other response to justify that part, heh.

[laintrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Are you just sitting around reading conversations from months ago for entertainment or something?

No not really, not outside of if I'm reminiscing with the person the convo was with, but I will ctrl+f and find info that way of something they said to me for sure.

What value are you getting out of keeping chats from years ago?

Access to information? Not deleting things I might need or that might be useful later?

What value are you getting out of deleting them? Are you low on storage or something? Or some sort of minimal living life-in-my-backpack type?

Not in the slightest. For what purpose would I want that? I'm not making a This American Life podcast using my inane conversations.

Monetary value isn't the only kind of value to me I guess. Different strokes.

[supernova1051@sh.itjust.works]

You're right! not sure why I thought SimpleX was a fork, it's definitely just using the Signal protocol. Thanks for the clarification. That said, I would objectively state the UX needs some work to get to where Signal is at. SimpleX is oddly both easy to use but confusing and unreliable. I've been using it for a little over a year now and very often messages just stop getting delivered or received, forcing a fall back to Signal.

SimpleX is still very promising and more secure than Signal if your threat model necessitates it, but I continue to champion Signal for its ease of use, reliability, and security compared to more mainstream messengers.

[engineergaming@feddit.nl]

And I am waiting for a way to use Signal without it ever touching a smartphone) Right now I have a Graphene phone so I can trust it (so Molly works), but before that my phone (like most phones) did not support any degoogled OS. While the laptop (like most laptops can) was running Linux easily. Yet, you have to either use an Android VM or a frustrating command-line client to register!

[supernova1051@sh.itjust.works]

Privacy and security is all about threat modeling. Signal meets 100% of the security needs of everyone I communicate with in my region of the world. There's no need (especially now that you can hide phone numbers) for the added security benefits of SimpleX.

Additionally, my experience in using SimpleX over the last year+ is that message delivery is not reliable yet. This has forced me and the few people I've been testing it with to fall back to Signal multiple times. Because of these reliability issues and lacking UX, I don't feel comfortable pushing it on others, knowing the tolerance level is low for message delivery failures and UX that isn't yet up to par with other messaging apps.

[supernova1051@sh.itjust.works]

XMPP only does message encryption. Signal has spent tons of engineering time and effort to minimize the collection of metadata, not just encryption of message content.

[treadful@lemmy.zip]

What’s even the point of writing anything if it’s just gonna be gone in like a week?

We are all but dust, my friend.

What value are you getting out of deleting them? Are you low on storage or something? Or some sort of minimal living life-in-my-backpack type?

I already gave my reasons. I don't want a history of my conversations that can be leaked. I enjoy my privacy. And I have no other reasons to keep them. I was just looking for an actual reason to keep these because I just don't get it. And I guess you've got nothing to offer there. Which is fine, I was just trying to understand.

Monetary value isn’t the only kind of value to me I guess.

Implying that the only value I recognize is monetary? Don't be a dick.

[noisefree@lemmy.world]

Good to know!

[alecsadler@sh.itjust.works]

I heard that too...1ish years ago and Molly still seems to work okay. I would assume by now that Signal knows they exist, so hopefully they'll keep playing nice.

[engineergaming@feddit.nl]

Yeah, true! However, you also have to trust their server not to log what is available to them (including your whole social graph), while with XMPP you can SSH into your server and see that its retention is exactly as you expected. But yeah, the issue remains when interacting with other servers - tho even then there the data is more evenly distributed between different servers with different owners.

[thomascrappersghost@feddit.uk]

Unfortunately it seems like some people think that that is neutral.

[phoenixz@lemmy.ca]

So is there a signal alternative that is fully open source and not under control of one single company?

Bett as I understand it, it's still from a company and still locked to the whims of a CEO and I'm done with that.

What's the best alternative?

[ozymandias117@lemmy.world]

Matrix as a protocol, and the official client is Element.

I'm baffled Signal didn't support transferring chats... I thought it was supposed to be easier than Matrix