Proton's very biased article on Deepseek

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Proton has always been sketchy - and I caught flak for it countless times, especially here.
But: A company claiming they are "private' and "secure" because they operate under Swiss privacy laws is already sketchy from the beginning.
Why? Because Swiss privacy laws suck,are the worst in Europe and Switzerland is a country known for multiple cases of major intelligence agency overreach - especially towards foreigners and cross-border traffic.

Legally the Swiss intelligence services can order any "service provider" (that includes proton) to provide them access to traffic coming from foreign countries - this also includes the mandate to provide "technical means", which is often seen as backdoors. And to make things better the service providers are not allowed to talk about it.

This alone is a problem.
In Protons case what makes matters even worse is the fact that they are an US company de facto operating from the US and therefore are bound by the homeland security act and similar legislation.

So in the end both the Swiss and US services might read your data.

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Yeah, the same goes for global warming "if I burn these tires nothing happens, like its not any warmer here", and then everyone does that and everyone loses on that.

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I'm not sure I get the analogy? Like what's the global warming here?

Let me give you a quick example. Let's say that an LLM has pretty compelling evidence you're committing crimes based on what you've told it. Literally the worst case scenario thing DeepSeek could do is give that data to domestic law enforcement, which is something OpenAI is already doing.

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Personally, I think the West is doing fine job tearing itself apart right now

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Just because you can (pretty easily) self host it doesn’t mean that the privacy concerns aren’t valid.

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That's because your inbox is completely encrypted. As far as I know, no client provides support for that.

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But that's also true for American companies.

As a European, I trust them as much as I trust Chinese ones.

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Posteo supports PGP encryption with a PGP key you have when an email comes into your inbox, which then can be decrypted by your client. So it is doable.

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Oh so you are more like "If I kill a man and run away to Russia, that means Russia is the good guy here, because I won't take any consequences", I think this topic is pretty undefined here, like many people may have different opinion on that, wheter a company should cooperate with government. But the thing is Deepseek has to coop, they have no option, and Deepseek is on the enemy side for us - west, thats why giving them data is like giving them money, data is money, you want China to get bigger, or your country? If you localhost, yeah it is far more better than any ClosedAI, but people don't do that, therefore you should be against using deepseek app and website if you care about interesr of your country.

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I run one a of the smaller model on an M1 max and it's working pretty good. Much better than I would jave thought. Some guys on youtube manage to get the 600b parameters models to run on sub 5k hardware. It's a total game changer. In a couple of years it will probably run loccaly on phones.

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Wait. Protons CEO is conservative?

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He's been kissing the ring on social media like the others IIRC

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A quote from the article:

DeepSeek is open source, meaning you can modify code(new window) on your own app to create an independent — and more secure — version. This has led some to hope that a more privacy-friendly version of DeepSeek could be developed.

This is just plain wrong. The model doesn’t contain the privacy unfriendly logic and can be used freely and unmodified. In fact, there are plenty of other platforms available right now where you can use it that are not Chinese.

This article makes fair points, if you ignore the fact that they don’t know what they’re talking about. You need to fix the errors in your head while reading it for it to make sense. If you don’t have the knowledge to do that, the whole article is a bit misleading.

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I've found AI quicker at getting information. Search on the net is garbage find old articles that no longer are relavent or having to shift through pages of unrelated shit till you find what you want.

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Oh it works and works well sure might need some tweaking or prompt changing but it is decent at code gen.

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Proton's very biased article on Deepseek