Bluesky now has 30 million users.

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Doesn't matter if you should or not. Point is you accept it or you don't use any service whatsoever.

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What do you think the closed beta was for? It was so they can get in and get on the moderator roster

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No, I believe the argument they're making is if someone else posts your private information on BlueSky (think Kiwifarms doxxing gay people and sending that info to Christian hate groups), and BlueSky moderation doesn't take action against the account posting the info, and then somebody uses that information to find and attack you, then BlueSky is culpable in the attack because they could've done something, but didn't.

A better example, I think, would be the recent issue with known transphobe Jesse Singal and his followers, who came to BlueSky around a month ago and immediately began posting bigotry and false info. When reported to the moderation team, they did nothing about it (he actually got banned by the auto-mod and then manually unbanned during that period, but that's another story). If he were to do something like my example, posting a trans person's private information online and telling his followers to harass them, and BlueSky did nothing to remove the posts or his account, then they'd be legally culpable for enabling anything that might happen to you. But under arbitration, you can't sue them for it.

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Looks like there's a viable alternative here.

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Really? Who are you going to sue here? And how much money do you think you can sue them for?

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Ah, THAT explaination at least has legs. All these other responses I'm getting are these abstract "mouse trap if everything goes exactly like this", sort of explainations.

Although, I still don't think financial recouperation is the path I'd take. I would be pressing legal charges. Like, criminal acts go to prison type charges.

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That's why 2FA via phone number shouldn't be a thing

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I've gotten settlement money from it before

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Oh no, there's no money or profit motive here. I guess that's terrible.

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I don't think forced arbitration has really been tried in court. I remember Disney kind of trying, but it was completely unrelated (e.g. argued that arbitration agreement from Disney+ applied to issues on physical Disney properties).

In order to hold up in court, the contract needs to reasonably benefit both parties instead of only the contract issuer. So there's a very good chance a court will dismiss the forced arbitration clause, especially if it's just in a EULA and not a bidirectional contract negotiation.

That said, I tend to avoid services with binding arbitration statements in their EULA, and if I can't, I avoid companies that force acceptance of EULA changes to continue use of the service.

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Would you say it is a one in a 30 million occurrence, roughly?

It was an asspull example but there are similar cases in the past. Forced arbitration of any lawsuit you present for any reason is bad, be it as simple as their software accidentally bricking your phone or as major as an attempt on your life being ignored by the platform.

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I feel like we're going to have a similar issue a couple of years or decades down the line with Bluesky. People would be better off on the Fediverse instead.

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No, this time will be different, I swear!

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Funny, someone shared an article in another post about all corporate money going to Delaware, https://www.icij.org/inside-icij/2022/06/delaware-is-everywhere-how-a-little-known-tax-haven-made-the-rules-for-corporate-america/

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It is less than ideal.
I only hope that it gets people used to the idea that you can leave a platform and the sky wont fall down. Sooner or later these guys will try a federated service and learn that protocols > platforms (in this case activitypub).

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I might be wrong (obligatory I am not a lawyer), but I think the laws either make it so that they can't be considered as an accomplice to a crime like that, or they're a corporation, which means that fines are really the only way they can be punished.

Either way, the arbitration clause, I believe, means that you can't take them to court like that in any situation. An out of court settlement is your only option, except in the case of a class action lawsuit, which let's them get a bulk deal on how much they have to pay out.

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another trash platform its just matter of a time, use mastodon and fediverse to don't migrate again in few years

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And how many users does Mastodon have?

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And that's fine. What the exodus to Bluesky is doing is making it easier for people to stomach switching to similar platforms, so if Bluesky also went to shit, the inertia is much lower for people to abandon it.

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Federation is too confusing for the average bear. the success of bsky is the best thing for getting people off twitter

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Bluesky now has 30 million users.