Is it me or Ubuntu secretly replaces DEB Firefox with Snap Firefox?

[technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

The installer, last time I tried it, was glitchy and unintuitive.

I used it a few months ago and it was pretty smooth.

[irritableocelot@beehaw.org]

That is not the same thing as "snap and apt Firefox are the same". They just hijacked apt to force snap in.

[morphit@feddit.uk]

So both commands do the same thing... right? I'm not saying snap and apt are the same.

[aphelion@lemm.ee]

I'm a relative Linux noob and Manjaro Arch works perfectly for me, no babysitting required.

[baaahb@feddit.nl]

You are missing the attribution. The person you are replying to is making a home that canonical says they are the same, not that they are actually the same.

[baaahb@feddit.nl]

You are missing the attribution. The person you are replying to is making a joke that Canonical says they are the same, not that they are actually the same.

[morphit@feddit.uk]

Well, yes, except Canonical have made them actually do the same thing in the case of Firefox. I'm not aware of any other packages that have the deb install just run the snap install.

[secret300@lemmy.sdf.org]

Yeah it's not really a secret

[aliteralcabbage@feddit.uk]

I used it decades ago (using the CLI installer for a Sid install I eventually fucked up beyond repair) and it was okay for a slightly tech savvy teenager, even then.

I suspect a lot of these issues are down to hardware compatibility more than anything else.

[captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works]

Yeah, there's an entire page bitching about it on Linux Mint's website.

[irritableocelot@beehaw.org]

Yeah for sure, I read your comment as excusing canonical screwing with user intent but I see that's not what you meant.

[captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works]

Red Hat and Ubuntu.

[mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Chromium too iirc

[ggppjj@lemmy.world]

It was a collaboration, although I'm having trouble finding a source for who wanted it first.

https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/feature-freeze-exception-seeding-the-official-firefox-snap-in-ubuntu-desktop/24210

[fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com]

This is why i switched to Debian. It's 99% of Ubuntu, without the crap.

[morphit@feddit.uk]

Yup, apt install chromium-browser calls snap install chromium. Looks like thunderbird is the same. There's a fwupd-snap deb but fwupd seems to be the default.

[hedgehog@ttrpg.network]

Clearly they’re cosplaying as a Canonical engineer whose internal explanation and pleas for them to not take this approach fell upon deaf ears /j

[beeng@discuss.tchncs.de]

I.... I.... I don't know why I haven't done that myself. (Am now on NixOS btw) but for work maybe I ask for Debian cloud box.

[morphit@feddit.uk]

w3m is a proper deb

Looks like only firefox, chromium-browser and thunderbird are these dummy transitional packages. There's a fwupd-snap, but the default fwupd is a full deb.

[morphit@feddit.uk]

Canonical added an epoch prefix to the firefox version number. Because that epoch (1) is higher than the implicit default (0), the official ubuntu dummy package is always considered to be a higher version than the official Mozilla package. apt doesn't look at snap packages, it installs the deb, but the ubuntu deb just runs snap install firefox and basically nothing else.