How do you keep up?

[kalleboo@lemmy.world]

This is why I'm still using a Synology ¯\(ツ)/¯

I can install all the fun stuff I want in Docker, but for the major OS stuff, it's outsourced to Synology to maintain for me

[lemmyingly@lemm.ee]

Depends on your stance on risk since WatchTower has to run as privileged

[fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com]

It's Watchtower that I had problems with because of what you described. Watchtower will drop your microservice, say a database to update it and then not reset the things that are dependent on it. It can be great just not in the ham fisted way I used it.

Uptime Kuma can alert you when a service goes down. I am constantly in my Homarr homepage that tells me if it can't ping a service, then I go investigating.

I get that it's scary, and after my Watchtower trauma I was hesitant to go automatic too. But, I'm managing 5 machines now, and scaling by getting more so I have to think about scale.

[mangopenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

I run proxmox on the host with docker in a VM for 90% of my stuff, OS updates I do like every 6 months maybe, I've done 1 major version upgrade on proxmox with no issues at all.

The docker containers auto-update via Komodo, and nothing really ever breaks anymore other than the occasional container error that needs a simple fix.

Everything important is backed up nightly using both proxmox backup server, and to backblaze B2 with restic.

[mxx53@programming.dev]

This is a good point. Generally if can accomplish what I want with my own scripts, I will go that route. I'll probably avoid adding additional software to the mix since what I have works fine enough.

[pika@sh.itjust.works]

I've never used true nass, but I've never had any issue with keeping up with releases. I use a proxmox host with Debian containers mostly, and then I use ansible to do any major changes to the hosts such as replacing certificates or upgrading the packages

Being said my backup structure isn't the most professional, I have a 8 TB external drive that I keep plugged in via USB and I have proxmox backup server on the same host and it creates backups nightly

[pika@sh.itjust.works]

I've never heard of kimodo, I've heard a lot about Watchtower but I found it more annoying to set up due to its labeling systems. Is there any added benefit for Komodo over using a standard watch tower setup?

I haven't set up either of them, but my main concern is having a breaking change be automatically updated

[pika@sh.itjust.works]

I don't use Watchtower myself for the same reasons described, but I was under the understanding if you had a container as a dependency on another container that if you took the dependency down it also took the container down. Is this not actually true?

[fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com]

I am not the person to be asking, I am no docker expert. It's is my understanding depends_on: defines starting order. Once a service is started, it's started. If it has an internal check for "healthy" I believe watchtower will restart unhealthy containers.

This is blind leading the blind though, I would check the documentation if using watchtower. We should both go read the "depends on" documents as we both use it.

[pika@sh.itjust.works]

Strangely it sounds like that's correct. I was under the understanding that depends_on cared about it past start as well but it does not. It doesn't look like there's a native way of turning containers that are depending on one another when you turn the dependency off. It looks like the current recommended way of doing it is either with a Docker compose file (which doesn't help if the process crashed), or having a third party script on the host monitor is the dependencies and if one is considered offline, it turns the dependees off.

[fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com]

That was my conclusion as well, however I am at work and it's not appropriate to be reading docker documentation. Thank you for the write up.

[mangopenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

Komodo is a full management setup, similar to Portainer, Dockge, etc.. It works reasonably well.

Watchtower doesn't require any labeling unless you want to exclude a container.