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How to secure your phone before attending a protest

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  • G [email protected]

    The police have a device that they can plug into your phone and see everything on the phone, cellbrite is the company name.

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    Plug in to my burner?

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      Please accept this cookie before learning how to not be tracked šŸ˜•

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      • misk@sopuli.xyzM [email protected]

        I participated in plenty of protests but haven’t made any acquaintances. I think internet is a better space for meeting people.

        Not to mention sometimes a protest starts peaceful and then goes to shit.

        Taking a look at the Tesla protests it’s just no-impact feel-good thing. Liberals have too much of disdain for non-economic violence.

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        I think internet is a better space for meeting people.

        You have no idea who you're "meeting" online. F2F isn't perfectly safe, but connecting with people you know, or who are at least known by people you know, is far better than some rando online. Even then, you need to learn to compartmentalize and operate on a need-to-know basis. If you want your group to be infiltrated, at least make them work for it. I wouldn't enter into a financial transaction with someone who approached me on the internet, so why would I bet my freedom or even my life on such a person?

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        • V [email protected]

          how to secure your phone: leave it at home. Done

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          Also any other personal electronics like your watch or fitness tracker.

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          • alchemicalagent@mander.xyzA [email protected]

            For a good compromise, use Meshtastic. Long-range radio mesh network for texting that phones can use instead of cell networks.

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            Can one make a general relay meshtastic node, or are they all private relays?

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              It is.
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_tracking_dots

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              Print at a public library?

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              • N [email protected]

                Plug in to my burner?

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                Sure - time they spend there is time not spent on something more incriminating!

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                • P [email protected]

                  Buy a burner, keep the battery out until you arrive at the protest, remove the battery when you leave the protest. Don't store any phone numbers in that phone.

                  Not that protesting will do anything anymore, that time has come and gone

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                  There are forms of protest beyond just going on a parade through town

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                  • N [email protected]

                    If it came to that, the SD card would be confiscated and/or the camera smashed.

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                    Send data to a remote location and don't tell them anything about it. No comment to everything before you get legal advice.

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                    • M [email protected]

                      That's long term memory for you. Normal when you get old.

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                      Then I'm afraid I started getting old way too soon.

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                      • F [email protected]

                        I think internet is a better space for meeting people.

                        You have no idea who you're "meeting" online. F2F isn't perfectly safe, but connecting with people you know, or who are at least known by people you know, is far better than some rando online. Even then, you need to learn to compartmentalize and operate on a need-to-know basis. If you want your group to be infiltrated, at least make them work for it. I wouldn't enter into a financial transaction with someone who approached me on the internet, so why would I bet my freedom or even my life on such a person?

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                        I’m not exchanging financial information with strangers regardless of whether it is online or offline. You’re not IRA, you don’t need this kind of precautions anyway.

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                          I want to see articles about attending revolts!

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                          • F [email protected]

                            I've been involved in peaceful protests and in other actions. Get out there and attend peaceful protests. It helps develop your situational awareness, you learn what it's like being at a protest, and often you'll get to find out what happens when the police and/or counter-protestors run amok. And even when the corporate media suppresses reports of protests, there are other ways of getting that information out.

                            As for non-pacifistic direct action, operational security and comms security are even more critical. This thread is probably not the place to discuss it in detail. Just be aware that the few normal constraints on the behavior of the authorities have been relaxed or lifted entirely.

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                            I participated in the biggest protests since the fall of Russian occupation in my country. I helped people organise and prepare, I joined a political party. Results? None, because there was no path to those and leadership up top is mostly concerned about their position. It was actual virtue signalling even though I hate everyone who uses this term.

                            What is your plan exactly? There is raising awareness but are you actually convincing anyone? Is someone unaware of what’s happening? What I’m seeing is that libs assume everything Trump supporters say is wrong and vice versa, there’s no discussion so how can any of you convince each other? In a polarised world people picked their sides based on criteria that were important to them and then pulled into a boxing match between liberals and fascists.

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                              how to secure your phone: leave it at home. Done

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                              Not buy one?

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                                I want to see articles about attending revolts!

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                                https://www.mobilize.us/indivisible/

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                                • F [email protected]

                                  Do not bring your phone with you to a protest.

                                  If you really need a phone on you, get a burner phone with a prepaid card not linked to your person. But remember, MITM attacks are possible and the police can intercept your traffic and in some cases even compromise your E2EE services (if the key exchange takes place on a compromised spoofed network, see stingrays [1]).

                                  If communication is necessary, get a meshtastic device. It's not the most reliable, and the channels can be jammed, but no one will bother with that. Because they work on usual IoT/smart home appliances frequencies, there is so much interference in cities that triangulating your position in a crowd of people isn't very realistic.

                                  [1] https://theintercept.com/2020/07/31/protests-surveillance-stingrays-dirtboxes-phone-tracking/

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                                  I’ve been using my old(cleaned installed) pixel 1 & 3 with my R1 meshtastics. Very helpful.

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                                    How To Secure Your Phone

                                    1. Leave it at home

                                    Why is this even an article? Do not bring your phone to protests, especially under a republican president, especially one like Trump.

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                                    • V [email protected]

                                      If black people had joined police forces in large numbers for a variety of very complex historical reasons, would you be defending "N****r Wagon" as a perfectly acceptable term right now?

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                                      If black people had joined the air force in very large numbers and abused other ethnic and socioeconomic groups as a way to ingratiate themselves to the crackers and we decided to call them "smackers"? I would have zero problems and would whole heartedly say that.

                                      And if someone suddenly decided that "black helicopter" is more a reference to African American pilots? I would do some research, figure out that is instead referring to night flight painting, and probably still avoid using the phrase while not caring all that much.

                                      Speaking of: What are your thoughts on the term "cracker"? Because you clearly don't understand the difference between a slur that is meant to degrade a human being and one that is meant to refer to an oppressor.

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                                        I’ve been using my old(cleaned installed) pixel 1 & 3 with my R1 meshtastics. Very helpful.

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                                        I'll have to look into this. I have an old Pixel 4a I use occasionally, and it'd be nice to make it more useful

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                                          If black people had joined the air force in very large numbers and abused other ethnic and socioeconomic groups as a way to ingratiate themselves to the crackers and we decided to call them "smackers"? I would have zero problems and would whole heartedly say that.

                                          And if someone suddenly decided that "black helicopter" is more a reference to African American pilots? I would do some research, figure out that is instead referring to night flight painting, and probably still avoid using the phrase while not caring all that much.

                                          Speaking of: What are your thoughts on the term "cracker"? Because you clearly don't understand the difference between a slur that is meant to degrade a human being and one that is meant to refer to an oppressor.

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                                          I have no problem with cracker, because exactly as you say, it's a reaction against institutional power, not an exercise of it.

                                          But "Paddy" has a long history as a term of racist abuse against a deeply disenfranchised racial minority. I'm not sure if you're even aware that it was widely used outside of the context of the phrase "Paddy wagon." From the way you're discussing this, it seems like you're not.

                                          If a black cop arrests you it's not suddenly praxis to refer to him by racial slurs just because he's a cop. Call him a pig or a narc or whatever anti-cop term you like, fucking go off, but excusing racism when it's specifically against cops is just saying that it's OK to be racist sometimes, and that's not something I can remotely agree with.

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