Why don't Americans plant trees and bushes of stuff that they can eat in their houses instead of having useless grass?
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Dropped fruit all over the ground really encourages rats though.
My mum got a house super cheap when I was young because it had a "rat problem" it also had a peach tree in the back yard that the owner didnt pick up after. We removed literal garbage bags of peach pits from the roof space and crawl spaces of that house and garage.
Chopped the peach tree down (it wasnt a healthy tree anyway) and the problem basically disappeared in days.
And I've found loads of walnut shells in nooks and crannies. I'm not going to cut a black walnut down.
Buildings need to be built properly to exclude animals regardless.
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too busy eating avocado toast
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Some cities actually mandate lawns. My city has code enforcement officials who have to go around and make sure that lawns are kept to a certain standard. I live in California and at some point these codes were relaxed to deal with water shortages (go figure) so we don't actually have to maintain our lawn. It's part of practices focused around preserving high housing costs (which I think are absolutely terrible).
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And I've found loads of walnut shells in nooks and crannies. I'm not going to cut a black walnut down.
Buildings need to be built properly to exclude animals regardless.
Not possible. Nature finds a way.
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americans already do this i see it all the time
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Grass is nice. It's nice to lay on. It's nice to walk barefoot in. It's soft and cushiony. It's cool on a hot summer day.
I have zero grass though. Just rocks and fruit trees.
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Canadian here, that's getting more and more common over here. There's a ton of HOA bullshit here too but I've been seeing more and more food gardening in Vancouver, but that might also be because food is expensive as fuuuck here.
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You think we own shit? Lawns are the landlord's landscaping equivalent of white paint: inoffensive but dull and useless
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Littering your yard with food attracts things like rats, raccoons, squirrels, etc, which destroy property and infrastructure, spread disease, and cause injury to people and pets. I'm not saying I'm against fruit trees, but I do understand people who are. It's a legitimate concern. Some areas even have things like boars or bears which are extremely dangerous.
I'm also curious with the way you can sue people in the US what would happen if someone becomes sick after eating one of your fruits. I imagine it varies by state.
I lived in a small city (~30k) in the middle of rural texas growing up, and our main wildlife was deer, squirrels, possums, foxes, armadillos, javalinas, and birds, although we also had the occasional ratsnake or raccoons or skunks.
We didn't really have fruit trees, but we did have plenty of pecans and several gardens of all kinds of veggies, a fig tree that never seemed to bloom, and some assorted berrying bushes.
We never experienced these plagues of infrastructural damage and diseases and hurt pets (4 cats and 2 dogs in total) that you describe. Idk where people get these horror stories from.
I suppose it can happen, but that's probably in areas where such a yard is the only safe space for wildlife and people don't live with nature as a daily part of their lives.
I s2g cityfolk act like getting brushed up against by a non-domesticated critter will give them an instant prion disorder.
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Growing crops is quite a bit of cost and effort and time. I have a little garden, but it's not like you just plant some seeds and you're all done.
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I’ve seen this happen before in real life so extreme or not, it’s definitely the norm in upstate New York at the very least. Had the city called on us while we were out of the country and we came back to all 6 of our small fruit trees dug up and tracks all over the front lawn from an excavator and a $2500 bill from the city.
6? What are you trying to make an orchard? That's pretty aggressive. How big is your front yard? How long were you gone for to make the city take action? You wouldn't get one notice, then a day later, they tear up your yard. You had to have been gone for a long time.
I have a fairly large front yard, and if I planted that many trees, yeah I'd get sited.
It doesn't matter if you had fruit trees or not. That's not a "you can't plant trees in your front yard", thats, "this many trees in a relatively small area can cause safety issues"
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Are you suggesting that we don't eat our Arborvitaes?
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I want to grow my own potatoes, bananas, and coffee once I get my own house in the tropics
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6? What are you trying to make an orchard? That's pretty aggressive. How big is your front yard? How long were you gone for to make the city take action? You wouldn't get one notice, then a day later, they tear up your yard. You had to have been gone for a long time.
I have a fairly large front yard, and if I planted that many trees, yeah I'd get sited.
It doesn't matter if you had fruit trees or not. That's not a "you can't plant trees in your front yard", thats, "this many trees in a relatively small area can cause safety issues"
Wow haha you must have been the city bylaw officer with the way you are so gallantly siding with the city and telling me off for planting 6 fruit tree saplings on 1+ acres of front yard. You must have been to some very small orchards! You sound very intelligent! I am truly humbled.
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I lived in a small city (~30k) in the middle of rural texas growing up, and our main wildlife was deer, squirrels, possums, foxes, armadillos, javalinas, and birds, although we also had the occasional ratsnake or raccoons or skunks.
We didn't really have fruit trees, but we did have plenty of pecans and several gardens of all kinds of veggies, a fig tree that never seemed to bloom, and some assorted berrying bushes.
We never experienced these plagues of infrastructural damage and diseases and hurt pets (4 cats and 2 dogs in total) that you describe. Idk where people get these horror stories from.
I suppose it can happen, but that's probably in areas where such a yard is the only safe space for wildlife and people don't live with nature as a daily part of their lives.
I s2g cityfolk act like getting brushed up against by a non-domesticated critter will give them an instant prion disorder.
that's probably in areas where such a yard is the only safe space for wildlife and people don't live with nature as a daily part of their lives.
I think this is the case. In urban areas you get the rats and such nesting directly in people's homes because there's nowhere else for them to be, thanks to the absolute miles of pavement. When I've lived in more rural areas you would see a lot of animals all the time, but everyone was pretty much minding their own business. I think habitat destruction is the real problem.
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Trees in general do all of those horrible things you mentioned.
I'm glad I don't live wherever you are.
I don't think that's the case, but trees in general are sadly not common in American landscaping, at least in my experience with urban areas. You tend to see newer (90's+) homes with very small trees that suggest the idea of nature without providing any shade or other benefits. I keep hearing about people buying older houses with big lovely trees and having them immediately cut down because it's disturbing the driveway or they're afraid of it falling in a storm. I think insurance costs may have something to do with these concerns, but it's really sad regardless.
In California they're constantly giving out these little saplings that will grow into very functional and deep-rooted shade trees, but no one wants them because they aren't pretty and drop needles.
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Wow haha you must have been the city bylaw officer with the way you are so gallantly siding with the city and telling me off for planting 6 fruit tree saplings on 1+ acres of front yard. You must have been to some very small orchards! You sound very intelligent! I am truly humbled.
Yeah I would've been intelligent enough to look up my city's ordinance about planting multiple trees in my front yard. Especially if I'm going to be leaving for several months afterwards.
Like it sucks you got your trees ripped out my dude, I'm sure you can try it again. Just search it up on the interwebs of your city. 100% you'll find it. If you want Ill search it for you. You can plant some awesome stuff in upstate.
All the best to you my man.
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I lived in a small city (~30k) in the middle of rural texas growing up, and our main wildlife was deer, squirrels, possums, foxes, armadillos, javalinas, and birds, although we also had the occasional ratsnake or raccoons or skunks.
We didn't really have fruit trees, but we did have plenty of pecans and several gardens of all kinds of veggies, a fig tree that never seemed to bloom, and some assorted berrying bushes.
We never experienced these plagues of infrastructural damage and diseases and hurt pets (4 cats and 2 dogs in total) that you describe. Idk where people get these horror stories from.
I suppose it can happen, but that's probably in areas where such a yard is the only safe space for wildlife and people don't live with nature as a daily part of their lives.
I s2g cityfolk act like getting brushed up against by a non-domesticated critter will give them an instant prion disorder.
People are afraid of everything now. If you let your kids make their own way to school instead of driving them they may be kidnapped and murdered by the nonces hidden around every corner in your city, but also they may grow up to be independent self-reliant people.
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There is a pretty great website called Falling fruit to map trees and other plants that you can pick from freely.
I checked out my closest two locations on there. They were bith dumpsters... "Best to come after midnight".
Not what I was expecting...
