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OpenAI Says It’s "Over" If It Can’t Steal All Your Copyrighted Work

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    Actually I would just make the guard rails such that if the input can’t be copyrighted then the ai output can’t be copyrighted either. Making anything it touches public domain would reel in the corporations enthusiasm for its replacing humans.

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    I think they would still try to go for it but yeah that option sounds good to me tbh

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      Stealing means the initial item is no longer there

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      If someone is profiting off someone elses work, i would argue its stealing

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        Counter counterpoint: I don't know, I think making an exception for tech companies probably gives a minor advantage to consumers at least.

        You can still go to copilot and ask it for some pretty fucking off the wall python and bash, it'll save you a good 20 minutes of writing something and it'll already be documented and generally best practice.

        Sure the tech companies are the one walking away with billions of dollars and it presumably hurts the content creators and copyright holders.

        The problem is, feeding AI is not significantly different than feeding Google back in the day. You remember back when you could see cached versions of web pages. And hell their book scanning initiative to this day is super fucking useful.

        If you look at how we teach and train artists. And then how those artists do their work. All digital art and most painting these days has reference art all over the place. AI is taking random noise and slowly making things look more like the reference art that's not wholly different than what people are doing.

        We're training AI on every book that people can get their hands on, But that's how we train people too.

        I say that training an AI is not that different than training people, and the entire content of all the copyright they look at in their lives doesn't get a chunk of the money when they write a book or paint something that looks like the style of Van Gogh. They're even allowed to generate content for private companies or for sale.

        What is different, is that the AI is very good at this and has machine levels of retention and abilities. And companies are poised to get rich off of the computational work. So I'm actually perfectly down with AI's being trained on copyrighted materials as long as they can't recite it directly and in whole, But I feel the models that are created using these techniques should also be in the public domain.

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        giving an exception to tech companies gives an advantage to consumers

        No. shut the fuck up. these companies are anti human and only exist to threaten labor and run out the clock on climate change so we all die without a revolution and the billionaires flee to the bunkers they're convinced will save them (they won't, closed systems are doomed)

        good for writing code

        so, I have tried to use it for that. nothing I have ever asked it for was remotely fit for purpose, often referring to things like libraries that straight up do not exist.

        AI

        HOLY SHIT WE HAVE AI NOW!? WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN!? can I talk to it? or do you just mean large language models?

        there's some benefit in these things regurgitating art

        tell me you don't understand a single thing about how these models work, and don't understand a single thing about the value meaning or utility of art, without saying "I don't understand a single thing about how these models work, and don't understand a single thing about the value meaning or utility of art.".

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          Oh no...
          Anyway...

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            Getting really tired of these fucking CEOs calling their failing businesses "threats to national security" so big daddy government will come and float them again. Doubly ironic its coming from a company whos actually destroying the fucking planet while it achieves fuck-all.

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            • a_norny_mousse@feddit.orgA [email protected]

              Fuck Sam Altmann, the fartsniffer who convinced himself & a few other dumb people that his company really has the leverage to make such demands.

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              It seems like their message was written specifically for the biases the current administration holds. Calling China PRC is an obvious example. So it was written by idiots for idiots apparently.

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                Let them. Copyright is bullshit. What's the issue. He's right

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                  That's fair, but OpenAI isn't fighting to reform copyright law for everyone. OpenAI wants you to be subject to the same restrictions you currently face, and them to be exempt. This isn't really a "lesser of two evils" situation.

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                  Is anyone trying to make stronger copyright laws? Wouldn't be rich people that control media would it?

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                    Seems like just yesterday Metallica was suing people for enjoying copyrighted materials

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                        Piracy is not theft.

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                        Copying is Not Theft

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                          Good, go away.

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                            Oh no not the plagiarism machine however would we recover???

                            Please fail and die openai thx

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                              Sorry, wasn’t trying to be a dick. Just couldn’t think of it at the time.

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                              No worries wasn’t trying to call you out just making a point

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