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Microsoft tells Windows 10 users to just trade in their PC for a newer one, because how hard can it be?

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  • S [email protected]

    The only PC we have with Windows is my wife's, and that's because she plays an anti-cheat game. My desktop, laptop, NAS, and Steam Deck all run Linux.

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    Mine that's still on Windows is while I'm transitioning away from Lightroom.

    It's the only thing left at this point that's holding me there.

    I would just dual boot a system for when I need to use it but I really wanna stop using Adobe software for a number of reasons.

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      Linux is like the “I own an old hotrod in my garage and work on it as a hobby” compared to “I drive a cheap commuter car and just want it to work”

      Really?

      Linux gives you choice, sure, but it doesn't just randomly break unless you're doing something exotic.

      Garuda Linux

      There's your problem, you're using a bleeding edge distro, which is like having a hotrod.

      If you want a boring commuter, install a boring commuter distro, like Debian. If you want something fresher, there are a lot of options before you get to Arch-based distros, like Fedora. Stick to the most popular distros and you probably won't have problems.

      Don't get me wrong, Arch can be fantastic, I ran it for several years with minimal problems, but you really do need to be ready to step in and get your hands dirty.

      My main advice is to go in expecting to need to replace software. A lot of stuff works (e.g. discord, Steam, etc), but a lot of stuff doesn't. If you're flexible, use a mainstream distro, and stick to what's available in the repo or on flathub, it'll probably be more stable than Windows. Just don't expect your random RGB app or whatever to work, and be ready to swap some POS hardware if the manufacturer doesn't support Linux (e.g. certain WiFi vendors that aren't Intel).

      Also, don't expect Linux to make things faster, you're still limited by your hardware. But do expect common tasks to work well.

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      Linux is like the “I own an old hotrod in my garage and work on it as a hobby” compared to “I drive a cheap commuter car and just want it to work”

      Really?

      Linux gives you choice, sure, but it doesn’t just randomly break unless you’re doing something exotic.

      I see it more as a pre-built kit RC car (like Traxxas or Arrma stuff) that in stock form (like a Debian or Fedora distro) is acceptable for 99% of the things we want to do with it, but also allows you to get under the hood and tweak/upgrade/change the inner workings to your liking with support from the manufacturer. Unlike other prebuilt cars from the toy store that have no real upgrade opportunities and don't want you under the hood, they are as-delivered with no other options...

      Anyway...

      Also, don’t expect Linux to make things faster, you’re still limited by your hardware. But do expect common tasks to work well.

      Very well put.

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      • C [email protected]

        The problem is there are a billion versions of linux, idk what one to choosex idk if i can play my steam games on linux, everyone who talks about linux seems to be a programmer /coder, and uses jargon that i don't even understand, so idk if I'll even be able to USE linux. And if I ask any questions I feel like it's all gonna end up sounsing like another language to me.

        The whole idea of moving to linux is overwhelming.

        But I'm starting to hate windows 11. And fuck Apple all together.

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        I'm coming from a non programmer perspective who has been on linux just short of a year. I work in finance but use CachyOS on my personal computer and laptop. I started with PopOs because I had heard that it was "out of the box for nvidia gaming" but soon after learned that most gaming distros are just advertised as such because of pre installed ease of use programs. Proton, wine, etc will run on most forks of linux and the distro you choose matters less and less the more familiar you get with using linux. I recommend CachyOS as a first distro because the installer allows you to choose your desktop environment / window manager. Allows for more options for a beginner so you don't feel limited to what is packaged in other "beginner friendly" distros.

        Note that anticheat is still the biggest pain point for linux compatibility layers so I just go on ProtonDB, check to see if the anticheat allows for linux, and if not I have a dual boot of debloated/removed telemetry windows that can run those games. Within my time using it, only rainbow 6 has required me to launch the windows instance. Aside from that all my singleplayer and multiplayer games run, albeit some with a 5% performance decrease (but that's more of an Nvidia issue than an inherent linux issue).

        My advice is to just try it. Doesn't take much time or effort to back up your necessary files and just switch even if temporarily just to see if it's for you 🙂

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          The problem is there are a billion versions of linux, idk what one to choosex idk if i can play my steam games on linux, everyone who talks about linux seems to be a programmer /coder, and uses jargon that i don't even understand, so idk if I'll even be able to USE linux. And if I ask any questions I feel like it's all gonna end up sounsing like another language to me.

          The whole idea of moving to linux is overwhelming.

          But I'm starting to hate windows 11. And fuck Apple all together.

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          (Taking your questions seriously and attempting to offer genuine and practical advice with some of my usual psychotic sense of humor)

          There aren't billions of versions of Linux, only tens of thousands. Of those, some are meant for servers, some are meant for embedded devices, some are meant for supercomputers, some haven't been updated in a decade and some are for specific weird niches. Filter out the joke ones like Hannah Montana Linux and what you'll have left are five major distros called Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, Arch and SuSe. These five are quite different from each other, they do things like develop their own package managers and such. Most other distros are minor modifications of these, most of the time just including a different desktop environment or included software. Debian's forks include Ubuntu, Linux Mint, ElementaryOS and Neon. Fedora is a fork of Red Hat, Manjaro, EndeavourOS and SteamOS are forks of Arch, and I'm sure Slackware and SuSe have been forked too. The majority of forks are "What if this distro, but this desktop instead of that one?" This is why there are three different versions of Linux Mint, your choice of Cinnamon, xfce and MATE desktops. How do you choose? Try a few and see which one you like best. They're all free.

          You can play Steam games on Linux. Valve has gone BIG into Linux compatibility, their Steam Deck handheld gaming PC ships with a Linux operating system called SteamOS which as previously mentioned is a fork of Arch Linux that comes with the KDE desktop. They have a compatibility layer called Proton which, if I understand the tech correctly, translates DirectX API calls into Vulkan API calls which Linux can understand. At this point, the vast, vast majority of Windows games just work on Linux. The one big sticking point at the moment are kernel-level anticheat systems often used in competitive multiplayer games. The developer has to specifically choose to release a Linux version that enables this, and most don't. So there are some games to include Fortnite that the developers have specifically chosen to not run on Linux. I've been PC gaming exclusively on Linux for over a decade now.

          A lot of Linux users are indeed programmers, developers or sysadmins. I'll remind you that Android and ChromeOS are also both Linux operating systems. Many distros these days have complete and polished graphical desktop environments that make the OS similar to use to Windows or MacOS. Take a look at Linux Mint Cinnamon Edition, I bet you'll find your way around.

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          • C [email protected]

            Comes with 64gb emmc & 4gb ram, soldered. Everything else is extra

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            TRIGGERED

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            • kescusay@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

              Translation: "Install Linux."

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              I would, except there's always some software or some feature missing. And there's always the FOSS app that "might" meet "some" aspects of what native software does but it's almost always never "native" support.

              Sure, I know I can play MOST games on Linux, but I know for a fact they'll launch on windows.

              Or things like, sure, I know that my corsair Hardware MIGHT be controlled by signal RGB, but what about controlling the pump in my AIO? Or the sound levels on ny headset? Or the DPI in my mouse?

              Then you have things like drivers. I'm not using any Nvidia GPUs right now, but the nvidia support for Linux is atrocious and you lose access to things like RTX-HDR and RTX Voice, and hell, even in AMD you lose access to certain features like AMFM2.

              Then the software, not only does things like Adobe or Office just don't exist, the FOSS solutions are not industry standard, so sure, I can learn to use LibreOffice, but that's worth absolutely nothing when you apply for a corporate job and they expect you to know how to use outlook as a bare minimum, hell, even the Google office suite is being adopted faster.... Ah, but if the software is available there's still a chance it doesn't work because it's missing a dependency or something and you have to ask people to use the terminal and... Sigh

              All in all, it's just behind in many ways, sure, for some people it's ok, and for laptops I'd think is mostly ok, great even. But I know I could deal with Linux, and I don't want to troubleshoot a whole PC to play a game when I already spend the whole day dealing with solving issues or servers or services on my job.

              I'm rooting for Steam OS to release to desktops because my living room PC is LITERALLY just for gaming, so that "could" work nicely.

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              • gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zoneG [email protected]

                Mine that's still on Windows is while I'm transitioning away from Lightroom.

                It's the only thing left at this point that's holding me there.

                I would just dual boot a system for when I need to use it but I really wanna stop using Adobe software for a number of reasons.

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                I don't know anything about Lightroom or what similar software would be, so unfortunately I won't be much help. But I hope you can find a decent alternative.

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                  This is kinda funny, just thinking someone believes you can "trade in" a PC at all. Even more so when they are trying to say those same Windows 10 machines will be so useless you need to trade them in in the first place, making the value of such a trade in what, next to nothing?

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                    Probably a bios update would be enough

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                    Maybe? I never bothered to check, but my understanding was they specifically didn't support that gen for whatever reason.

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                    • p_kanarinac@retrolemmy.comP [email protected]

                      Not sure what made them not work, but this makes sense.

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                      The anticheats harvest data that has value, it's a business decision rather than a technical problem

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                        The problem is there are a billion versions of linux, idk what one to choosex idk if i can play my steam games on linux, everyone who talks about linux seems to be a programmer /coder, and uses jargon that i don't even understand, so idk if I'll even be able to USE linux. And if I ask any questions I feel like it's all gonna end up sounsing like another language to me.

                        The whole idea of moving to linux is overwhelming.

                        But I'm starting to hate windows 11. And fuck Apple all together.

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                        Just use Ubuntu. (Surely I'll get hate for this.)

                        It's based on Debian, a major branch off the tree. It just fucking works. Millions of tutorials, groups, etc. to find troubleshooting info. Probably won't have to do anything to get a machine running that does everything you're doing now.

                        Get the swing of that and go from there, if you want to try other branches.

                        This realization helped me quite a bit: Windows does all sorts of arcane voodoo with the registry and DLLs and such. Weird Linux appeals to many because all the configuration is contained in simple text files. Got a program that reads and write plain old text? Aight. You can configure Linux. In a way, it's so simple it's hard to get your head around coming from Windows.

                        tl;dr: Just download and install Ubuntu. Go from there with your nicely working machine.

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                          Hmm. I wonder if Aquaman is in the market for some old computers.

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                            A testament to the shot development standards at MS. An OS literally should not in a million years be this resource inefficient, especially out of the box.

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                              Kinda funny the same statement to Tesla owners, where comments are telling that it's easy...

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                                Someone has to say it: I bought a MacBook!

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                                  The problem is there are a billion versions of linux, idk what one to choosex idk if i can play my steam games on linux, everyone who talks about linux seems to be a programmer /coder, and uses jargon that i don't even understand, so idk if I'll even be able to USE linux. And if I ask any questions I feel like it's all gonna end up sounsing like another language to me.

                                  The whole idea of moving to linux is overwhelming.

                                  But I'm starting to hate windows 11. And fuck Apple all together.

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                                  Just use Ubuntu. It's super easy and built for folks new to Linux. Plus steam plays all games on Linux, so no worries there.

                                  You can duck duck go any question and then add "ubuntu" to the end and get help. No reason not to at this point.

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                                  • lovesausage@discuss.tchncs.deL [email protected]

                                    Lots of suggestions here. Here is mine peppermint OS. Simple and doesnt brake (debian based)

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                                    Peppermint OS and Pop! OS are my top favs.

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                                    • pillowtalk420@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

                                      sigh does it at least come with ranch or peanutbutter? Celery is better with one of those.

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                                      I can't recall ever trying it with peanut butter, that sounds interesting

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                                        Someone has to say it: I bought a MacBook!

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                                        A MacBook is on the upgrade treadmill even faster than windows lol

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                                          The problem is there are a billion versions of linux, idk what one to choosex idk if i can play my steam games on linux, everyone who talks about linux seems to be a programmer /coder, and uses jargon that i don't even understand, so idk if I'll even be able to USE linux. And if I ask any questions I feel like it's all gonna end up sounsing like another language to me.

                                          The whole idea of moving to linux is overwhelming.

                                          But I'm starting to hate windows 11. And fuck Apple all together.

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                                          Try them here: https://distrosea.com/

                                          I suggest Cinnamon Ubuntu for a combination of Mint and Ubuntu. It's got the Mint Windows like front end, with Ubuntu in the back. Most help online is for Ubuntu anyway.

                                          https://distrosea.com/select/ubuntucinnamon/

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