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Germany decides to leave history in the past and prepare for war

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  • R [email protected]

    Their success rate would have been a lot higher if they had known when to stop ;-). I think if the stated goal of defending Europe from Russia doesn't change that they have a very good chance of success given the numbers they are talking about.

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    The crazy thing that still makes my head spin and that I fail to process properly is that Europe would still be under Nazi regime today had they not attacked Russia ... despite all the crimes. How do you deal with that? idk

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      So my understanding is that they are the second strongest, but still at around 20% the other German parties formed a coalition that froze Afd out of power. So they are still a threat in future elections, but they have limited impact on policy for now.

      Is that correct or have I got the wrong idea?

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      Yes and no. In general you are right, but there are municipalities in East Germany that had over 50% of the votes go to the AfD... which is still absolutely insane to me. I'm sure it's the same in the USA, but cities tend to lean more left and rural regions tend to heavily favor the AfD (or slightly less/more right parties).

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        Their success rate would have been a lot higher if they had known when to stop ;-). I think if the stated goal of defending Europe from Russia doesn't change that they have a very good chance of success given the numbers they are talking about.

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        I also wonder how much farther their war efforts would have gone had they not wasted time, men, and resources on ineffective warfare like that massive train driven cannon. Its a lot of effort and resources to set up double track rails just to miss most of your shots.

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          Yeah I’m a bit tired of bought out politicians dismantling a country from the inside.

          Probably the biggest loophole that HAS to be fixed!

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          The biggest problem with democracy is that voting isn't mandatory, and 25% of any population is dumb as bricks.

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            I also wonder how much farther their war efforts would have gone had they not wasted time, men, and resources on ineffective warfare like that massive train driven cannon. Its a lot of effort and resources to set up double track rails just to miss most of your shots.

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            They might have fared better without the meth addictions too

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            • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

              The crazy thing that still makes my head spin and that I fail to process properly is that Europe would still be under Nazi regime today had they not attacked Russia ... despite all the crimes. How do you deal with that? idk

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              I'm not sure it would. The Nazi economy was supported by plunder, they had to keep attacking to fund it. They couldn't get to Britain or America, and they had otherwise more or less run out of Europe.

              I don't want to imagine the kind of atrocities they could have committed in the time that it would take for them to collapse, but I do think the collapse would have come

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                Germany's military, the Bundeswehr, recently got the all-clear for a massive increase in investment after parliament voted to exempt defence spending from strict rules on debt.

                The country's top general has told the BBC the cash boost is urgently needed because he believes Russian aggression won't stop at Ukraine.

                "We are threatened by Russia. We are threatened by Putin. We have to do whatever is needed to deter that," Gen Carsten Breuer says. He warns that Nato should be braced for a possible attack in as little as four years.

                "It's not about how much time I need, it's much more about how much time Putin gives us to be prepared," the defence chief says bluntly. "And the sooner we are prepared the better."

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                It didn't take much for people to get brainwashed into war all over again

                https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-preparedness-the-road-to-universal-slaughter

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                  They might have fared better without the meth addictions too

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                  Generally incompetent leaders who promoted people to positions of power based on their loyalty rather than merit also.

                  Just the whole general way they did everything, I’d say.

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                    for the first time, Germany possibly gets to be the "good guys" in a world war! Quite a turnaround.

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                    "good guys" vs "bad guys" logic isn't much wise. In the cold war USA and germany recycled nazi and ss members to war with russia. World governments are all corrupted and have blood on their hands, none of them is really the good guys.

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                      This is not just about security, this is about safeguarding the last bastions of real democracy.

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                      this is about safeguarding the last bastions of real democracy

                      Yea sure thing...

                      https://feddit.org/post/8995350

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                        A bit concerned if an AfD take-over can't be completely ruled out.

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                        That's one of the reason governments shouldn't have any power. Good luck when in the nearby future adolf hitler II becomes the president of a police state with an army ready for war...

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                          War is coming. Best be ready for it.

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                          Authoritarian governments and corrupted politicians needs people to fight their wars. War will come once enough people get brainwashed into it

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                            That's one of the reason governments shouldn't have any power. Good luck when in the nearby future adolf hitler II becomes the president of a police state with an army ready for war...

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                            It's already hapoened in the US.

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                              for the first time, Germany possibly gets to be the "good guys" in a world war! Quite a turnaround.

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                              Because Germany is on your side?

                              Careful that you don't draw the wrong conclusion.

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                                Because Germany is on your side?

                                Careful that you don't draw the wrong conclusion.

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                                who says I think Germany would be on our side?

                                at this rate, the US is looking more and more like it'll jump into bed with Russia than the rest of NATO.

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                                  They might have fared better without the meth addictions too

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                                  The opposite is probably true. The blitzkrieg strategy relied on soldiers being able to fight effectively for days on end without sleep. It definitely isn't a sustainable way to treat your troops but it was very effective and not possible without Pervitin.

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                                  • lordwiggle@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

                                    It feels a bit weird being on the German side for once, also their track record of succeeding isn't that great, but I love our neighbors and I fully support them.

                                    I'm just, sad the world is falling into another world war while we also just could be more kind and forgiving towards each other. It would save a lot of lives and leads of pain and agony.

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                                    None of this would have been necessary if it wasn’t for republicans.

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                                      It didn't take much for people to get brainwashed into war all over again

                                      https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-preparedness-the-road-to-universal-slaughter

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                                      Man what a great read, we really need more people like Emma Goldman these days.

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                                        I also wonder how much farther their war efforts would have gone had they not wasted time, men, and resources on ineffective warfare like that massive train driven cannon. Its a lot of effort and resources to set up double track rails just to miss most of your shots.

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                                        Or if they only focused on Brittain and didn't invade Russia for one, especially with summer gear in winter.

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                                          None of this would have been necessary if it wasn’t for republicans.

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                                          Not just republicans. Democrats in the US are right wing too. The entire country is fucked up, the reps just speed up the process exponentially. But don't forget the most immigrants who have been thrown out was during Obama and Biden. Biden supported Israel too, with loads of weapons.

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