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Europe’s GDPR privacy law is headed for red tape bonfire within ‘weeks’

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    Privacy matters, but it is really not good in its current shape. For example, it seriously hinders scientific research into contagious diseases because a lot of data of patients is incredibly hard to get or work on. There's a lot more that could be done against epidemics if it wasn't for the GDPR in its current shape.

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    Ask for concent, its not hard.

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      Ask for concent, its not hard.

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      Jesus Christ how naive can you be

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        Jesus Christ how naive can you be

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        Consent is red tape?

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          Jesus Christ how naive can you be

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          You do realise that most medical research these days is for-profit? The only thing opening these databases to medical research will do is increase the profit lining the pockets of the already mega wealthy (and corrupt) industrial medical complex.

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            You do realise that most medical research these days is for-profit? The only thing opening these databases to medical research will do is increase the profit lining the pockets of the already mega wealthy (and corrupt) industrial medical complex.

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            Jfc you tankie, just because someone makes money from selling medication, do you really think the person receiving the medication is sad about the existence of the medication? You are literally saying "let's not cure or prevent diseases because someone could make money from it", how removed can you be

            Also, I was talking about state funded medical research into how the spread of contagious diseases could be halted, which would only have resulted in regulatory actions. That's just one example. Get your head out of your own ass

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              Consent is red tape?

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              If you want to ask every person in an anonymized database for consent, yes

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                Europe's most famous technology law, the GDPR, is next on the hit list as the European Union pushes ahead with its regulatory killing spree to slash laws it reckons are weighing down its businesses.

                The European Commission plans to present a proposal to cut back the General Data Protection Regulation, or GDPR for short, in the next couple of weeks. Slashing regulation is a key focus for Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, as part of an attempt to make businesses in Europe more competitive with rivals in the United States, China and elsewhere.

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                There is one thing that would make the GDPR easier: one single Data Protection Authority at Union level, with direct sanctioning powers.

                No more asking Ireland first only to get Norway and Germany telling you the opposite.

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                  Jfc you tankie, just because someone makes money from selling medication, do you really think the person receiving the medication is sad about the existence of the medication? You are literally saying "let's not cure or prevent diseases because someone could make money from it", how removed can you be

                  Also, I was talking about state funded medical research into how the spread of contagious diseases could be halted, which would only have resulted in regulatory actions. That's just one example. Get your head out of your own ass

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                  Schrödingers patient. They would gladly give all their data to for profit businesses to then sell an expensive cure when not asked, but they would not be willing to give consent when asked...

                  Especially in the case of medical data it is relatively easy to break anonymization. If you make the data sellable the first to buy will be insurance companies so that they can begin pushing for coverage to not be universal, but rather based on how healthy you are and maybe even denying coverage for your lung cancer at 60 because you used to smoke in your 20s...

                  And the people who have the kind of diseases that would benefit greatly from research on it, will be first to be hung to dry in such a system.

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                  • S [email protected]

                    If you want to ask every person in an anonymized database for consent, yes

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                    You consent to your data going in to a database first, and that it will be used for medical research.

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                    • Z [email protected]

                      Europe's most famous technology law, the GDPR, is next on the hit list as the European Union pushes ahead with its regulatory killing spree to slash laws it reckons are weighing down its businesses.

                      The European Commission plans to present a proposal to cut back the General Data Protection Regulation, or GDPR for short, in the next couple of weeks. Slashing regulation is a key focus for Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, as part of an attempt to make businesses in Europe more competitive with rivals in the United States, China and elsewhere.

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                      Oh boy what can go wrong?

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                      • zecg@lemmy.worldZ [email protected]

                        Fucking assholes, taking away gdpr and pushing for chatcontrol.

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                        We should have democratic mechanisms to vote these politicians out of office when they start messing up.

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                          Europe's most famous technology law, the GDPR, is next on the hit list as the European Union pushes ahead with its regulatory killing spree to slash laws it reckons are weighing down its businesses.

                          The European Commission plans to present a proposal to cut back the General Data Protection Regulation, or GDPR for short, in the next couple of weeks. Slashing regulation is a key focus for Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, as part of an attempt to make businesses in Europe more competitive with rivals in the United States, China and elsewhere.

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                          @[email protected] are you trying to become the USA? Deregulation will make us just like them! Don't undo all the good work you did!

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                            Europe's most famous technology law, the GDPR, is next on the hit list as the European Union pushes ahead with its regulatory killing spree to slash laws it reckons are weighing down its businesses.

                            The European Commission plans to present a proposal to cut back the General Data Protection Regulation, or GDPR for short, in the next couple of weeks. Slashing regulation is a key focus for Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, as part of an attempt to make businesses in Europe more competitive with rivals in the United States, China and elsewhere.

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                            They intend to simplify compliance, not axe the law. And this is needed if Europe wants to make itself independent of USA and China on the tech front.

                            You who are against this, have you ever had to deal with GDPR? It is a nightmare and I am certain American big tech is secretly celebrating it, because it kills any European startup alternatives, because they cannot afford to employ enough people to be compliant with the law and if they try to do it with existing personnel they don't have enough time left over to actually run their business.

                            If you have ever complained that there aren't enough European alternatives, GDPR and other legislation is the reason why. USA shoots itself in the foot with tariffs and we Europeans shoot ourselves in the foot with regulations. I am just really glad the EU commission has realized this and are fixing it.

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                              Privacy matters, but it is really not good in its current shape. For example, it seriously hinders scientific research into contagious diseases because a lot of data of patients is incredibly hard to get or work on. There's a lot more that could be done against epidemics if it wasn't for the GDPR in its current shape.

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                              This is so untrue it's actually hilarious.

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                                Europe's most famous technology law, the GDPR, is next on the hit list as the European Union pushes ahead with its regulatory killing spree to slash laws it reckons are weighing down its businesses.

                                The European Commission plans to present a proposal to cut back the General Data Protection Regulation, or GDPR for short, in the next couple of weeks. Slashing regulation is a key focus for Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, as part of an attempt to make businesses in Europe more competitive with rivals in the United States, China and elsewhere.

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                                Finally!!! GDPR strongly needs a revision. I work in healthcare in Sweden, where many hospitals recently have gotten a new digital journal system. In theory it would be a really good one, but because of GDPR we still have to rely on printing papers, and sending them to other clinics via post or fax. How in the world does that protect our privacy better than just using the digital services that are built to do this?!

                                All my patients expect me to have ready up on their medical history, and know what medications they take, so that I am up to date about what they need. But in order to do that, I first have to ask for their permission, and THEN open their journal. It has to be the other way around - that you can actively block healthcare personnel from reading your journal if you for some reason don’t want them to.

                                Revising the GDPR to make it less intrusive in healthcare, would increase our ability to see more patients and spend less time on administrative tasks, which I think everyone is positive to.

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                                  They intend to simplify compliance, not axe the law. And this is needed if Europe wants to make itself independent of USA and China on the tech front.

                                  You who are against this, have you ever had to deal with GDPR? It is a nightmare and I am certain American big tech is secretly celebrating it, because it kills any European startup alternatives, because they cannot afford to employ enough people to be compliant with the law and if they try to do it with existing personnel they don't have enough time left over to actually run their business.

                                  If you have ever complained that there aren't enough European alternatives, GDPR and other legislation is the reason why. USA shoots itself in the foot with tariffs and we Europeans shoot ourselves in the foot with regulations. I am just really glad the EU commission has realized this and are fixing it.

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                                  I completely agree! GDPR was good in theory, but it’s really hindering us in practice. Coming from someone working in healthcare.

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                                    Actually, it's quite easy to comply with. Don't collect any data you don't need in order to conduct legitimate business with the person you're collecting data from. And you're done.

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                                    Maybe in your field? Tell that to healthcare workers. Don’t you want your doctor to know about your medical history and what medications you’re taking, without having to wait and see you first to be able to ask you? GDPR HAS to be revised.

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                                      They intend to simplify compliance, not axe the law. And this is needed if Europe wants to make itself independent of USA and China on the tech front.

                                      You who are against this, have you ever had to deal with GDPR? It is a nightmare and I am certain American big tech is secretly celebrating it, because it kills any European startup alternatives, because they cannot afford to employ enough people to be compliant with the law and if they try to do it with existing personnel they don't have enough time left over to actually run their business.

                                      If you have ever complained that there aren't enough European alternatives, GDPR and other legislation is the reason why. USA shoots itself in the foot with tariffs and we Europeans shoot ourselves in the foot with regulations. I am just really glad the EU commission has realized this and are fixing it.

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                                      have you ever had to deal with GDPR? It is a nightmare and I am certain American big tech is secretly celebrating it, because it kills any European startup alternatives, because they cannot afford to employ enough people to be compliant with the law and if they try to do it with existing personnel they don’t have enough time left over to actually run their business

                                      Am DPO. What do you mean? GDPR is trivial to deal with and you do not need to employ additional personnel beyond a DPO. They don't even have to do it full time.

                                      There are certain few business models that explicitly rely on exploiting personal data, but them being slowed down is very much the intention.

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                                        Maybe in your field? Tell that to healthcare workers. Don’t you want your doctor to know about your medical history and what medications you’re taking, without having to wait and see you first to be able to ask you? GDPR HAS to be revised.

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                                        There is a legitimate reason for the doctor accessing those data, so there isn't a problem with the GDPR. No need to revise it for that.

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                                          Finally!!! GDPR strongly needs a revision. I work in healthcare in Sweden, where many hospitals recently have gotten a new digital journal system. In theory it would be a really good one, but because of GDPR we still have to rely on printing papers, and sending them to other clinics via post or fax. How in the world does that protect our privacy better than just using the digital services that are built to do this?!

                                          All my patients expect me to have ready up on their medical history, and know what medications they take, so that I am up to date about what they need. But in order to do that, I first have to ask for their permission, and THEN open their journal. It has to be the other way around - that you can actively block healthcare personnel from reading your journal if you for some reason don’t want them to.

                                          Revising the GDPR to make it less intrusive in healthcare, would increase our ability to see more patients and spend less time on administrative tasks, which I think everyone is positive to.

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                                          but because of GDPR we still have to rely on printing papers, and sending them to other clinics via post or fax

                                          I don't know who told you this but that is certainly not mandated by GDPR. Could you elaborate on the situation?

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