AfD is the most popular party in Germany for the first time, with a record 26%
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Many of those aren't real votes but "protest" support. Very dumb imo. They're hoping its a wakeup to the other parties but it really just emboldens the afd.
Please look at the US and what's happening here right now.
A significant portion of Trump's voters in 2016 were protest anti-establishment voters and they've been converted into full on Fascist voters in the 8 years since then.
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Many of those aren't real votes but "protest" support. Very dumb imo. They're hoping its a wakeup to the other parties but it really just emboldens the afd.
Are they dumber than the parties that didn't get the message?
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Many of those aren't real votes but "protest" support. Very dumb imo. They're hoping its a wakeup to the other parties but it really just emboldens the afd.
Nah I don't buy it. Nazis voting for nazis know what they are doing. AfDs plan is clear, like project 2025 was and their voters like what they see and should be treated and handled accordingly.
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Everybody in Germany. Please talk to family members that you don't talk to about how this is dangerous to you. I know I have these in my family that I should invest in instead of always talking to the closest ones. Also make sure to beat them with genuine questions that break open their confidence in the reasoning with the socratic way (epistemology)
- What? Belief.
- Why? Reason
- How? Method for Proof
Or
- Identify Persuasion
- Question "What is it actually", definition
--In between ask for scale 1-10 how confident into the topic are you and importance queries - Why do you believe that?
- How could one determine whether this is really true?
--In between the scale and importance queries - Best argument for and strongest argument against?
- Reflect, i.e. repeat what has been said in your own words
eighthly
It's not about being well versed in the topic of conversation
But good questionsThis!
The best strategy is to engage in genuine conversations.
Most people just label the unknowledgable as stupid and attempt to desperately convince them with a bombardment of facts and counter-arguments. Even worse is just calling them "Nazi" and leave it at that. This is futile with some people who have gone down too deep into the hate-train of social media. They will immediately mentally blockade what you're saying and the cycle continues.
It's way more effective to get into a friendly conversation and actually engage with what they are saying. Listen. Ask questions. Listen. Ask questions. Understand why they believe what they believe. Be open to their arguments, however rediculous you might find them.
The most important thing you need to realize that it's not their fault and they are not stupid! They are just the output of their environment. Everyone has emotions. And everyone deals with them differently. Everyone has their environment. And everyone sources their information from that environment. Everyone has parts of their lives where they are misinformed or less educated than an expert in the field. You too! Consequently, the way to change someone's belief is to change their environment while understanding their emotional basis.
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Everybody in Germany. Please talk to family members that you don't talk to about how this is dangerous to you. I know I have these in my family that I should invest in instead of always talking to the closest ones. Also make sure to beat them with genuine questions that break open their confidence in the reasoning with the socratic way (epistemology)
- What? Belief.
- Why? Reason
- How? Method for Proof
Or
- Identify Persuasion
- Question "What is it actually", definition
--In between ask for scale 1-10 how confident into the topic are you and importance queries - Why do you believe that?
- How could one determine whether this is really true?
--In between the scale and importance queries - Best argument for and strongest argument against?
- Reflect, i.e. repeat what has been said in your own words
eighthly
It's not about being well versed in the topic of conversation
But good questionsTotally. Good one is showing genuinely curiosity on problems we face. For example, what would be AfD solution for tenant issues and protections? The USA can be also a good one. What I mean is the endorsement from Elon Musk for the AfD and AfDs endorsement of Trumps, whom they dislike as well. Encouraging them to catch up with relatives from the USA and how they're doing with the current republican regime.
With some however it's too cumbersome or fruitless to argue and discuss in my opinion. So I stick to calling out the lack of serious or sensible solutions and stirred up hatred. There are enough cognitive dissonance, economy incorrect conclusions to call out...
Basically some Fascists will only waste your time - good YT Video. -
If the current government is even willing and able to serve their term to its end (the previous one didn't), and actually improve the situation enough so people stop running after some rat catchers with a simple lie as the supposed solution.
But the Left and Greens are in opposition — this is a chance. Hopefully they are able to mobilise as well in the coming years.
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Someone explain, are these the Nazis?
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Someone explain, are these the Nazis?
they are the neo-Nazis
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Germany should have actually denazified instead of the joke they did. Also should have reunited the two germanys instead of what happened which was basically a west German conquest of east Germany contributing greatly to its impoverershment.
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But the Left and Greens are in opposition — this is a chance. Hopefully they are able to mobilise as well in the coming years.
Socially, the Greens stand exactly where the "Social Democrats" stand. They are a party of privileged academics who are plagued by their ecological conscience. And the Left still has Putin bootlicker vibes (they call it "peace"), even though the worst Putin bootlickers left them to form their own party.
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AfD is using fascist manipulation using propaganda (always putting immigrants and immigrant attacks in the spotlight) to gain power and discriminate immigrants even more, causing more retaliation which in turn makes people give the AfD even more power.
In a tolerant society we should not be tolerant of such intolerance.
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The problem is that more simple minded people who are actually conservative, as they want to conserve society as it is, will easily fall for the propaganda and vote for a party that is out to destroy what they want to conserve.
The self proclaimed standing of a party is part of its propaganda. Unfortunately the media are complicit with the parties on perpetuating their propaganda, by calling parties by their chosen adjectives, rather than by what would be more fitting. Conservatives should rather be called "Destructives", and in many countries, "Social Democrats" are rather Neoliberals, for they have long sold out social democracy to the highest bidder and now follow an extremist free market ideology, their only remaining difference to the "Conservatives" being not wanting to return to societal norms from 60 years ago.
The problem is that more simple minded people who are actually conservative, as they want to conserve society as it is, will easily fall for the propaganda and vote for a party that is out to destroy what they want to conserve.
The real problem is that "conserve society as it is" was always a lie, unless the "as it is" you're talking about happened to be monarchy. Conservatism, as an ideology, was founded in support of monarchism. A society run by an aristocratic elite has always been the thing they're trying to conserve.
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Is the proper response: Well shit.
This is why I keep telling people we are fucked by focusing in increasing military powerr in europe even if it appears and is obviously needed. We are going to put all the power at the hands of insane lunatics ready to wage 2ar and put people in ovens.
It's happening in all countries in Europe. I think in mine we'll have elections next month or something like that and the extreme right is at 2nd or 3rd position ready to take first or will join hands with another to win. It was so close already last time. No matrer how many crimes all their members do show up in the news every week.
It's what the people want. Most people everywhere are ok and want homicidal narcissist and sociopathic people in charge of them.
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And stil the state refuses to ban them, refuses to arrest and sentence their leaders.
It will be Weimar 2.0 with liberals being either too incompetent or too unwilling to stop fascism.
Fascism is not stopped at the podium or in parliament. It is stopped with bullets and bombs. The longer you wait the more bullets and bombs it will take and the more lives it will cost.
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Someone explain, are these the Nazis?
Anything from national conservatives to common reactionaries, Völkische and neo-nazis and neo-fascists.
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So it is a poll of people who answer phone numbers they don’t recognize.
There's a lot more than that, check the sampling methods on this Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(statistics)
They could, for example, ask for demographic information of the sampled population and weight that to the general population (let's say that 50% of the people who answered are males from 70+; but they just represent 10% of the general population, then that answers are weighted to represent only 10% of the final results).
There's a lot of theory behind sampling.
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There's a lot more than that, check the sampling methods on this Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(statistics)
They could, for example, ask for demographic information of the sampled population and weight that to the general population (let's say that 50% of the people who answered are males from 70+; but they just represent 10% of the general population, then that answers are weighted to represent only 10% of the final results).
There's a lot of theory behind sampling.
I’m sure it is probably fine. I’m just being flippant.
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This is why I keep telling people we are fucked by focusing in increasing military powerr in europe even if it appears and is obviously needed. We are going to put all the power at the hands of insane lunatics ready to wage 2ar and put people in ovens.
It's happening in all countries in Europe. I think in mine we'll have elections next month or something like that and the extreme right is at 2nd or 3rd position ready to take first or will join hands with another to win. It was so close already last time. No matrer how many crimes all their members do show up in the news every week.
It's what the people want. Most people everywhere are ok and want homicidal narcissist and sociopathic people in charge of them.
These polls don't matter much. Next major election in Germany is in 2029.I'd argue these assholes didn't win the battle just yet. Anti lobby work, Investments in military power, education and quality of life for people are just some of the things to convince more people. Four years is plenty.
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Nah I don't buy it. Nazis voting for nazis know what they are doing. AfDs plan is clear, like project 2025 was and their voters like what they see and should be treated and handled accordingly.
Okay well in German and I know some of these idiots. It's true. Of course some are literally Nazis. You see the same thing in the US as well. Don't take my reply as defending these people.
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Are they dumber than the parties that didn't get the message?
Can confirm they're generally quite dumb.
