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cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/37022405
This is a carrier in the USA (T-Mobile).
I did a quick search for the other 2 carriers using the term "[Carrier Name] Family Tracking" and Verizon and AT&T also seems to have it.
And according to https://www.t-mobile.com/support/plans-features/t-mobile-familywhere-app, it says:
FamilyWhere uses geolocation data from the T-Mobile network and is not affected by changes to device location settings.
So it appears that its using cell tower triangulation. Turning on Airplane Mode should stop it (assuming there isn't a separate tracking app on your phone)
Oh Wow, What a wonderful tool for abusive spouses and abusive parents. And telecom companies are making money off of it.
TLDR: Its a good idea to get your own separate cellular plan.
I share my location with my wife just in case I end up in a ditch dying while riding my motorcycle.
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I share my location with my wife just in case I end up in a ditch dying while riding my motorcycle.
I have very mixed feelings about androids crash detection. The personal privacy is fine but - fucking google.
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I have very mixed feelings about androids crash detection. The personal privacy is fine but - fucking google.
You supposedly hate Google, yet have an android... The fuck is wrong with you?
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You supposedly hate Google, yet have an android... The fuck is wrong with you?
There are several major degoogled Android projects, while Linux on phones is nowhere near mature enough for mainstream use yet.
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There are several major degoogled Android projects, while Linux on phones is nowhere near mature enough for mainstream use yet.
De-googled projects get none of the benefit of being android, while all of the downfall of being android. So either use it or don't. It simply doesn't make any sense.
It's like buying a Tesla and then replacing all of the systems within it because you hate Tesla. Like, wtf. Why would you buy it then? End of the day its your money, do what you want, but still. What the fuck.
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cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/37022405
This is a carrier in the USA (T-Mobile).
I did a quick search for the other 2 carriers using the term "[Carrier Name] Family Tracking" and Verizon and AT&T also seems to have it.
And according to https://www.t-mobile.com/support/plans-features/t-mobile-familywhere-app, it says:
FamilyWhere uses geolocation data from the T-Mobile network and is not affected by changes to device location settings.
So it appears that its using cell tower triangulation. Turning on Airplane Mode should stop it (assuming there isn't a separate tracking app on your phone)
Oh Wow, What a wonderful tool for abusive spouses and abusive parents. And telecom companies are making money off of it.
TLDR: Its a good idea to get your own separate cellular plan.
The sort of thing that'd be really fucking useful, anywhere in the last twenty years - if it was built by privacy nerds. If I'm out with people at a mall or whatever, we should be able to exchange GPS coordinates once per second, using approximately zero percent of any modern server.
But it should be extremely opt-in. Like not even an option to turn on and leave on. And if any fucking brand ever sees that data, the person responsible can track my phone's trajectory through their front window.
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De-googled projects get none of the benefit of being android, while all of the downfall of being android. So either use it or don't. It simply doesn't make any sense.
It's like buying a Tesla and then replacing all of the systems within it because you hate Tesla. Like, wtf. Why would you buy it then? End of the day its your money, do what you want, but still. What the fuck.
get none of the benefit of being android
As someone who uses Graphene... No? It gets the benefit of being usable as a daily driver and having tons of apps. What exact perks are you talking about? You overestimate the benefit Google gives to the OS' user.
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get none of the benefit of being android
As someone who uses Graphene... No? It gets the benefit of being usable as a daily driver and having tons of apps. What exact perks are you talking about? You overestimate the benefit Google gives to the OS' user.
Google Play Services is at the very core of Android and it will only get worse from here, and a very significant portion of the Android ecosystem requires GPS to function. Auto updates, built-in Android security features, a significant portion of secure apps like banking and financial service applications, Find my Phone, Cloud Backups, etc. The list goes on. And it's funny because each one of these removed features are generally replaced with a third party alternative, which means you're still trusting a third party with your data... I could understand if you didn't want any company to have your data. That makes sense. But you specifically curtail Google who authors the OS in favor of a third party who also might be doing the same things with your data anyways. It's all just so incredibly stupid.
You may be completely happy with Graphene, but the overwhelming vast majority of people won't be because it removes the specific advantages of using Android as an ecosystem.
If you want to be free of Google, then be free of Google and don't use hardware and an OS that they designed and made. It's like hating Nazi's but wearing an SS jacket because "it's warm." It's fuckin' mind-blindingly crazy.
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Google Play Services is at the very core of Android and it will only get worse from here, and a very significant portion of the Android ecosystem requires GPS to function. Auto updates, built-in Android security features, a significant portion of secure apps like banking and financial service applications, Find my Phone, Cloud Backups, etc. The list goes on. And it's funny because each one of these removed features are generally replaced with a third party alternative, which means you're still trusting a third party with your data... I could understand if you didn't want any company to have your data. That makes sense. But you specifically curtail Google who authors the OS in favor of a third party who also might be doing the same things with your data anyways. It's all just so incredibly stupid.
You may be completely happy with Graphene, but the overwhelming vast majority of people won't be because it removes the specific advantages of using Android as an ecosystem.
If you want to be free of Google, then be free of Google and don't use hardware and an OS that they designed and made. It's like hating Nazi's but wearing an SS jacket because "it's warm." It's fuckin' mind-blindingly crazy.
and a very significant portion of the Android ecosystem requires GPS to function
Which ones? Not encountered that except for maps.
Auto updates, built-in Android security features
At least Graphene does auto-updates of the system and basic apps just fine, and when it comes to installed apps - you can use F-Droid, Obtainium and other methods that can do it as well.
a significant portion of secure apps like banking and financial service applications
Yeah, those are often blocked off indeed. Although this depends too - for example, in my country all the major banks aside from one don't require Google services, primarily to accommodate Huawei and other Chinaphones that come without Google services. Find My Phone - indeed, although there might still be workarounds, just not looked at that.
And it’s funny because each one of these removed features are generally replaced with a third party alternative, which means you’re still trusting a third party with your data…
Thing is - you have CHOICE in what third party to trust. And a lot of such choices are indeed more trustworthy than Google judging by prior history. You can eliminate middlemen, such as getting apps directly from the devs' repos rather than from F-Droid. Oftentimes you can avoid a third-party entirely, as a lot of things are selfhostable.
You may be completely happy with Graphene, but the overwhelming vast majority of people won’t be because it removes the specific advantages of using Android as an ecosystem.
That's not the same argument as you made previously - "De-googled projects get none of the benefit of being android, while all of the downfall of being android". Removing Google does still leave a convenient daily driver - whether it's suitable universally is another question.
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The sort of thing that'd be really fucking useful, anywhere in the last twenty years - if it was built by privacy nerds. If I'm out with people at a mall or whatever, we should be able to exchange GPS coordinates once per second, using approximately zero percent of any modern server.
But it should be extremely opt-in. Like not even an option to turn on and leave on. And if any fucking brand ever sees that data, the person responsible can track my phone's trajectory through their front window.
Try Paralino! It's a family location sharing app but is end-to-end encrypted
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and a very significant portion of the Android ecosystem requires GPS to function
Which ones? Not encountered that except for maps.
Auto updates, built-in Android security features
At least Graphene does auto-updates of the system and basic apps just fine, and when it comes to installed apps - you can use F-Droid, Obtainium and other methods that can do it as well.
a significant portion of secure apps like banking and financial service applications
Yeah, those are often blocked off indeed. Although this depends too - for example, in my country all the major banks aside from one don't require Google services, primarily to accommodate Huawei and other Chinaphones that come without Google services. Find My Phone - indeed, although there might still be workarounds, just not looked at that.
And it’s funny because each one of these removed features are generally replaced with a third party alternative, which means you’re still trusting a third party with your data…
Thing is - you have CHOICE in what third party to trust. And a lot of such choices are indeed more trustworthy than Google judging by prior history. You can eliminate middlemen, such as getting apps directly from the devs' repos rather than from F-Droid. Oftentimes you can avoid a third-party entirely, as a lot of things are selfhostable.
You may be completely happy with Graphene, but the overwhelming vast majority of people won’t be because it removes the specific advantages of using Android as an ecosystem.
That's not the same argument as you made previously - "De-googled projects get none of the benefit of being android, while all of the downfall of being android". Removing Google does still leave a convenient daily driver - whether it's suitable universally is another question.
Big agree from me. You just forgot to take my pathological laziness & procrastination into account.
At least this way I have the option. With apple its the walled garden. What other choices are out there? (not including dumb phones)Edit: punctuation
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