Florida man armed with garden shears survives gator attack before shot, killed by deputies
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Honestly I think in this case the cops responded as they should. They tried teasing him and that didn’t do anything and then he tried to take a rifle from them. At that point they didn’t have a lot of options.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]The fact that you (an average US citizen, presumably) think tasing is de-escalation is literally part of the problem.
I was trained by US cops multiple times during my 10 years of security work. Sadly, I didn't receive much for de-escalation training. I had to learn it myself. Oh sure sometimes escalation (like sounding intimidating while moving your hand to your hip) worked as a method of de-escalation, most of the time it was to reinforce the mantra to "ensure you go home at night".
Tasers aren't even non-lethal, they are now (properly, with public outcry) considered "less lethal". No pepper spray or mace mentioned, no trip attacks, no net, no means of incapacitating him before reaching to the nearest gun-like object.
Meanwhile, we have no one there to assess him to determine what his medical and/or psychological needs are, because "he's dangerous".
The cops brought the rifle.
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FloridaMan is like the Slayer. When one dies, another is called.
Dread Pirate Roberts!
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The fact that you (an average US citizen, presumably) think tasing is de-escalation is literally part of the problem.
I was trained by US cops multiple times during my 10 years of security work. Sadly, I didn't receive much for de-escalation training. I had to learn it myself. Oh sure sometimes escalation (like sounding intimidating while moving your hand to your hip) worked as a method of de-escalation, most of the time it was to reinforce the mantra to "ensure you go home at night".
Tasers aren't even non-lethal, they are now (properly, with public outcry) considered "less lethal". No pepper spray or mace mentioned, no trip attacks, no net, no means of incapacitating him before reaching to the nearest gun-like object.
Meanwhile, we have no one there to assess him to determine what his medical and/or psychological needs are, because "he's dangerous".
The cops brought the rifle.
I get what you’re saying. I would agree in almost every case. Not on this one. You try to reason with a violent meth head that is this out of his marbles and see how that turns out for you.
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Can some copy/paste article please. Site is blocked in my country
Why is it blocked?
You might try using Tor
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How would you suppress a guy that just swam in crocodile infested waters and shrugged off a crocodile bite?
Maybe the cops should have tried to ask the erratic, violent meth head trying ti steal their rifles to calm down nicely?
With handcuffs? lol. Do you think that handcuffs just magically don’t work if you’ve been doing drugs?
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How would you suppress a guy that just swam in crocodile infested waters and shrugged off a crocodile bite?
Maybe the cops should have tried to ask the erratic, violent meth head trying ti steal their rifles to calm down nicely?
I've worked with people that put down much more dangerous subjects than some meth head. I've taken part in such operations myself as well.
For any person not armed with a firearm or bladed weapon the answer is simple: You keep them contained without committing to an engagement until you have a sufficient number of people on site (2-4 guys should be enough), then you swarm them with batons and pepper spray. Even the beefiest guy in the world will hit the ground after a solid round of pepper spray and a couple good whacks to the legs and body when they have three guys hanging onto them.
If they have a bladed weapon you do the same thing, but make sure you get vests, longer batons, and more guys. The key is that you want to swarm and overwhelm the subject from all sides in such a way that you can force them to the ground without any individual grappling with them alone.
In all cases, the subject is likely to try to single out individuals in order to attack. Use a baton, pepper spray, a frontal kick, or "running away" in order to keep them contained until you can swarm them. Treat the them like a trapped animal: You want to make sure they can never single out anyone to attack, by constantly controlling distance while you circle them in.
This shit isn't hard. I've worked with 19-year olds that mastered it. These cops fucked up colossally if a meth head was able to start wrestling one of them over control of a gun. This just shows that arming the police with firearms in situations where they aren't necessary just makes the situation more dangerous for everyone involved. If the meth head gets control of the gun... they now have a gun. An unarmed meth head can be dealt with without bringing a gun to the scene in the first place.
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With handcuffs? lol. Do you think that handcuffs just magically don’t work if you’ve been doing drugs?
I mean a crocodile and a taser didn’t stop him, I don’t think they would have easily been able to restrain him let alone get close enough to do so without being injured.
But it’s fine, I’m not gonna argue this anymore. I’m not gonna convince you otherwise, especially if you’ve never seen a psycho meth head.
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FloridaMan is like the Slayer. When one dies, another is called.
I would say killing a Florida Man is like cutting the head off a hydra.
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I get what you’re saying. I would agree in almost every case. Not on this one. You try to reason with a violent meth head that is this out of his marbles and see how that turns out for you.
No one said to reason with them. Just neutralise them without using a lethal weapon. Mace, batons and manpower will put any unarmed person on the ground.
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No one said to reason with them. Just neutralise them without using a lethal weapon. Mace, batons and manpower will put any unarmed person on the ground.
He wasn’t unarmed.
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I get what you’re saying. I would agree in almost every case. Not on this one. You try to reason with a violent meth head that is this out of his marbles and see how that turns out for you.
If you think killing people is an okay - and only - method of stopping a human, maybe try to learn more options. YouTube is free.
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This is a wild story about
- how running with scissors is a bad idea
- alligator bites can’t even stop a dude on meth
- cops continue to have no clue what de-escalation tactics are
It's kind of like Florida in a nutshell lol
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If you think killing people is an okay - and only - method of stopping a human, maybe try to learn more options. YouTube is free.
That’s exactly what I said that the only way to stop people is by killing them. Fuck me, some of you are extremely disingenuous.
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Honestly I think in this case the cops responded as they should. They tried teasing him and that didn’t do anything and then he tried to take a rifle from them. At that point they didn’t have a lot of options.
Does no one have a net gun? Nets always work
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That’s exactly what I said that the only way to stop people is by killing them. Fuck me, some of you are extremely disingenuous.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]They didn't fucking try to reason, or use reasonable force. They brought a rifle, left their fucking car door open, and killed the dude when he tried to grab it. Meanwhile, no forms of non lethal incapacitation were used. Because they are trained to kill.
Cops are the bad guy, and they made the issue worse by being there, because they aren't trained to de-escalate.
I'd rather trust a fucking gator wrangler to be more efficient at stopping him.
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How would you suppress a guy that just swam in crocodile infested waters and shrugged off a crocodile bite?
Maybe the cops should have tried to ask the erratic, violent meth head trying ti steal their rifles to calm down nicely?
Tons of disarming techniques have been available in martial arts to the world for centuries.
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They didn't fucking try to reason, or use reasonable force. They brought a rifle, left their fucking car door open, and killed the dude when he tried to grab it. Meanwhile, no forms of non lethal incapacitation were used. Because they are trained to kill.
Cops are the bad guy, and they made the issue worse by being there, because they aren't trained to de-escalate.
I'd rather trust a fucking gator wrangler to be more efficient at stopping him.
Ok next time you see a meth head running about doing shit like this tell people not to call the cops because you’ll stop him by reasoning with him and hugging him.
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Why is it blocked?
You might try using Tor
GDPR most likely.
It's less effort to geoblock europe than to make sure their site complies. Also their website isn't for europeans, so they have no reason to put in any effort to make it work.
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He wasn’t unarmed.
Japan has man catcher poles that allow you to subdue someone without getting near them. They allow you to hold the person until they get tired or you can get the weapon away from them.
These should be standard in every police force.
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Honestly I think in this case the cops responded as they should. They tried teasing him and that didn’t do anything and then he tried to take a rifle from them. At that point they didn’t have a lot of options.
They tried teasing him and that didn’t do anything
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