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do you think freewill truly exists?

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    Is or is not talking about how your days went considered small talk? I literally don't know now. I'd say it's small talk.

    Small talk is a way to gauge someone's mood before going for the bigger discussions

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      I think it half-exists. I speak from a deep inspection of will performed while meditating.

      There is a spark of energy that arises from my mysterious depths, that preceeds choice. I dunno where it comes from. Like I said, mysterious depths.

      The spark enters this world and takes its form from it. Becomes a choice. Taking form from formlessness like breath blown into a flute. Or a player's will injected into a videogame.

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        Daily life is what daily life is all about.

        I do think I'd potentially be happier with a partner who I could speak philosophy and politics with, but if we couldn't also function simply navigating running a household and raising our family, then we really couldn't be anything more than friends with benefits long term. Not that that would be a bad thing. It just depends on how you want to live your life, and whether you value a stable partnership over firey romance.

        Some people are lucky enough to have a partner that fulfills the entirety of their intellectual, intimate, familial and financial needs, but such people are few and far between I'm sure!

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          I think it half-exists. I speak from a deep inspection of will performed while meditating.

          There is a spark of energy that arises from my mysterious depths, that preceeds choice. I dunno where it comes from. Like I said, mysterious depths.

          The spark enters this world and takes its form from it. Becomes a choice. Taking form from formlessness like breath blown into a flute. Or a player's will injected into a videogame.

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          That "spark" is whatever consciousness is in the end I think. Everything else is subject to direct inspection and can be found to be deterministic or emergent, not actually subject to any kind of "will". I speak also from insights gained while meditating (or doing psychedelics 🤗)

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            Need for small talk suggests the contents of your thoughts revolves around topics and depth of thought suitable for small talk, I wish you the best in finding someone similar who can appreciate its value to your life. I'll be elsewhere and hope you wish me the same luck. Anything that is meaningfully impactful to my partner however, is never small talk.

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            I'm afraid you've missed the point. Smalltalk is about maintaining and strengthening relationship, which involves knowing about each others' lives and feelings. And it does double duty: taking the time to ask and listen is a way to express that the other person is important enough to you - i.e. to express love.

            It's not the only way, and many of us don't do well at smalltalk, but it's a valuable way. And,

            your thoughts revolves around topics and depth of thought suitable for small talk

            Indeed! It means your thoughts have time for the other person's life and feelings.

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              Is or is not talking about how your days went considered small talk? I literally don't know now. I'd say it's small talk.

              Small talk is a way to gauge someone's mood before going for the bigger discussions

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              I think so? Perhaps it's small talk as long as it remains small. "Hi honey, what did you find out about the coefficient of friction in the graviton chamber after interviewing that nazi scientist, and does it mean we have to uproot our family and travel to a new country again?" is probably not small talk, unless it's answered by, "oh, yeah, friction's quite big, it's all fine; can I have some toast?"

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                Asking someone you love "How was your day?" is a meaningful question. Small talk is bullshit time wasting between randos or acquaintances.

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                "Lovely weather today, isn't it?"

                "Yeah, makes me feel like picnics,"

                is expressing feelings to each other, affirming a shared worldview in which sunny weather is good, and affirming the value of each others' feelings and potential plans.

                Just because the real meaning is hidden, doesn't negate the value.

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                  So, you just HAVE to talk?

                  Do you hate silence?

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                    after you get through all the asking each other stuff to get to know each other's histories etc phase, it's okay to just not talk all the time

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                    It's not just histories and facts, though. Sure, you don't have to talk all the time, but sharing feelings and connection, in a relaxing way, through small talk, helps maintain and build that connection. More important for some people than others.

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                      Anyone down for a sustained meaningful relationship? I'd really like to discuss whether happy meal toys count as gambling

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                        how do people who like small talk plan on being in sustained meaningful relationships what are you gonna do "hi honey nice weather we're having huh?"

                        my plan is to be too busy kissing my partner at all times to say anything

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                        How Shakespearian. "Stop his mouth with a kiss."

                        "And another kiss."

                        "Keep going! More kisses, least he open his mouth and opine on the weather."

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                          Spouse and I ponder the mysteries of life and the universe while we’re cuddling.

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                          Sounds pretty good 🙂

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                            But that would be great! Let's start an awesome exploration of a very existential topic. Certainly better and more interesting that talking about shopping.

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                            Well, but if the other person did some shopping, do you care how it went? They might.

                            "How was the shopping?"

                            "Ugh, this idiot cut me off in the aisles so many times, I feel so frustrated."

                            "Yeah, I know what you mean. Like, does his existence even matter? Perhaps he's a figment of our collective imagination. It's so maddening to think your own brain is creating fictions that cut you off in the aisle."

                            "I know, right? It made me wonder what if I'm the figment in his imagination! It's such a depressing thought. I need a hug."

                            *hug*

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                              Not spelled like that, no.

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                              Hey, that's racist. Freewill's ancestors were enslaved and abused for generations, now they're free so his parents, William and Wilhimina, named him Freewill to celebrate his freedom!

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                                I mean
                                You can hate small talk with strangers and co workers but still enjoy small talk with your partner

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                                "How's the weather, Bob?"

                                "Please! My wife asks me that in the bedroom! Not you, here, at the water cooler."

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                                  I do exactly this ! Hi honey how was your day ? Kids were restless ? Ok. Does that affect your stance on education through play ? is punishment sometimes advisable ? you haven't read your copy of Foucault's Discipl.... hey where are you going ?... baby ??

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                                  "I'll be right back, I forgot my stack of research notes in the kitchen! Do you need citations?"

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                                    That's actually kinda crazy to me because those "tedious conversations" are usually the highlight of my dad. It's a nice lil bit of human connection while I slog through the corporate machine

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                                    It really is different for different people! I think it also depends on how much taking you've already done: I've heard a number of people express that they run out of... talkiness? I've felt that myself. If I've done a lot of talking, I'm more likely to want to just rest, or even interact, wordlessly; at other times I cherish small talk and catch-ups.

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                                      Meaningful.

                                      The clue is in meaningful.

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                                      Ah, but meaning comes on many layers, some of which are hidden.

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                                        No. Last I knew, PET (?) scans appear to indicate that decisions are reached by your unconscious mind before they're made by your conscious mind; the implication is that what you believe is you making a choice is actually you rationalizing a choice that's been made through processes that you can't directly see or affect. IF that's correct, then people are quite deterministic, as long as you know all of the inputs.

                                        But on a practical, day-to-day basis, calling it 'free will' is a convenient fiction or shorthand. While free will may not exist, we largely believe that it does, and our perception of that in turn shapes our perception of reality. So it ends up not really mattering, strictly speaking.

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                                        I can definitely take a 'decision' that's arrived from the subconscious, analyse it consciously, and accept, modify or reject it. I'm aware many people don't do that so much. So I think the results of those scans might be just a small part of the picture of what's going on with consciousness and will.

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                                          I guess I see small talk as gateway questions to deeper conversations. I met me wife by asking about the weather.

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                                          "Hi there! Beautiful weather we're having, isn't it?"

                                          "Yes, perfect for marrying..."

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