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Greta Thunberg departs Israel on flight to Paris after detention aboard aid ship

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  • I [email protected]

    It's a blockade for a war zone. Standard practice for centuries, unless they just shoot you which was the previous option for most of humanity.

    Now let's get pedantic and have someone screech that Israel doesn't recognize Palestine and it's not a war so no blockade 🙄

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    #117

    Israel does not recognise that there are civilian non-combatants in Gaza and therefore does not allow aid to enter. How about you?

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      #118

      What an anemic headline. How did she become detained? By an act of piracy and kidnapping in international waters. CNN is a tool of the oligarchs.

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      • P [email protected]

        None of the doctors would do that.

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        #119

        The eighth doctor would literally have been on the boat with greta.

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        • F [email protected]

          What an anemic headline. How did she become detained? By an act of piracy and kidnapping in international waters. CNN is a tool of the oligarchs.

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          #120

          It is known. CNN has always been lib slop

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          • T [email protected]

            Did she ever accomplish anything other than going to places getting arrested and changing absolutely nothing?

            What is her job? Going around the world with seemingly unlimited funds and giving some interviews? Just sounds like a Kardashian with extra steps.

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            #121

            Did she ever accomplish anything other than going to places getting arrested and changing absolutely nothing?

            It's got you here talking about it with your terrible opinions, hasn't it?

            Take a look at this image and tell me if you think these guys accomplished anything other than going to a lunch counter and getting arrested and changing "absolutely nothing"?

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            • tonytonychopper@mander.xyzT [email protected]

              It is known. CNN has always been lib slop

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              #122

              It's actually gotten worse. The management of CNN changed recentlyish and has been pushing CNN more to the right. I think it was to increase viewership, but ultimately just means the quality (not that it was very high to begin with) has dropped.

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              • T [email protected]

                Did she ever accomplish anything other than going to places getting arrested and changing absolutely nothing?

                What is her job? Going around the world with seemingly unlimited funds and giving some interviews? Just sounds like a Kardashian with extra steps.

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                #123

                What's your job? Whining and bitching about someone doing something that takes more courage than your dumb ass will cumulatively muster over the entirety of your life?

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                  What an anemic headline. How did she become detained? By an act of piracy and kidnapping in international waters. CNN is a tool of the oligarchs.

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                  #124

                  Intercepting a ship that intends to run a blockade in international waters is legal according to international law. The flotilla had stated its intention repeatedly and were warned several times before being intercepted and finally boarded.

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                  • circav@lemmy.caC [email protected]

                    She’s defintely an adult. But yeah apprehended in international waters, taken to a country that she didn’t chose to enter willingly, and then deported.

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                    #125

                    She intended to enter territorial waters and breach the blockade. That’s intention to enter.

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                    • F [email protected]

                      What an anemic headline. How did she become detained? By an act of piracy and kidnapping in international waters. CNN is a tool of the oligarchs.

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                      #126

                      By an act of piracy and kidnapping in international waters.

                      you might disagree with what's happening but this was legal. Israel has a blockade there

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                        Something like that but the important thing is Israel is not claiming they entered the exclusion zone and similarly they even if they did the result is supposed to be being forcibly turned away not kidnapping and property theft.

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                        #127

                        The flotilla was told several times to turn around or be detained. They decided to not turn around and continued on their intended course to breach the naval blockade.

                        According to international maritime law Israel can intercept and detain before they enter.

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                          #128

                          If you want to get food aid into Gaza, it might be best to smuggle it in using drones or cartel subs.

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                          • jackbydev@programming.devJ [email protected]

                            Maritime Law (the oldest of international law)

                            Source?

                            freedom flotilla yahoos [...] doing things that will hurt your feelings. [...] sovcit [...] pretend

                            Ew.

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                            #129

                            https://openyls.law.yale.edu/bitstream/handle/20.500.13051/8684/43_101YaleLJ893_1991_1992_.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y

                            Page 898

                            Outside the blockade area and on the high seas,34 belligerents relied on the practice of "visit and search"3s to stop vessels suspected of carrying "con-traband" to the enemy.36 A belligerent warship sailing on the high seas had the right to visit and search all merchant vessels. Merchants found carrying enemy contraband were captured and escorted to the belligerent's nearest home port. The belligerent nation's prize court then determined the fate of the captured ship and cargo.37 In cases where merchants resisted either capture or visit and search, the blockading force was entitled to pursue and, if neces-sary, damage or destroy the vessel to force the ship to submit.

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                            belligerents today continue to enforce blockades from long distance or through blockade zones. They do so because of three twentieth-century developments in maritime warfare: first, the growing importance to belligerents of conducting economic warfare in conjunction with armed con-flict;s3 second, the introduction of a large array of new weapons to the maritime battlefield; and third, the proliferation of modern weapons to less powerful nations incapable of conducting traditional blockade. In combination, these three developments have forced states to replace traditional blockade form with long-distance blockade or blockade zones.

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                            • samskara@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

                              Intercepting a ship that intends to run a blockade in international waters is legal according to international law. The flotilla had stated its intention repeatedly and were warned several times before being intercepted and finally boarded.

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                              #130

                              That assumes the blockade is legal though? Has an international court that is recognized by the ship’s flag country declared the legality of the blockade?

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                              • M [email protected]

                                Correct to an extent, the accepted meaning is that they must agree to security measures to pass through. It is not and never has been a way to willfully prevent aid and aide staff into combat zones.

                                They weren't in a blockaded zone as far as I'm aware, Israel only says they were approaching and providing intented destination as you must when attempting to pass through a blockade.

                                Even ignoring that they must be allowed to leave even if they enter the blockaded area without permission, it isn't a seize your property and imprison your crew for being in the general area openly providing intent kinda thing.

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                                #131

                                Israel has told the flotilla repeatedly they can deliver the aid through the proper channels and the port of Ashdod.

                                The small amount of captured aid from the freedom flotilla is being delivered to Gaza by Israel at the moment.

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                                • chairmanmeow@programming.devC [email protected]

                                  International law doesn't permit the blockading of humanitarian aid. Israel was allowed to board and inspect the vessel, but not block it from entry.

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                                  #132

                                  Humanitarian aid is getting in through land borders into Gaza.

                                  Gaza doesn’t have a port suitable for delivering large amounts of goods in the first place. Aid delivery has to go through the proper channels.

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                                    Enact blockades in international waters?

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                                    Yes, that’s how blockades work. https://openyls.law.yale.edu/bitstream/handle/20.500.13051/8684/43_101YaleLJ893_1991_1992_.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y

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                                    • psythik@lemm.eeP [email protected]

                                      Right here. I would have never in a million years have imagined that they would just let her go. This is an extremely surprising turn of events.

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                                      #134

                                      Consider this: You might be misinformed about the whole situation.

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                                        https://openyls.law.yale.edu/bitstream/handle/20.500.13051/8684/43_101YaleLJ893_1991_1992_.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y

                                        Page 898

                                        Outside the blockade area and on the high seas,34 belligerents relied on the practice of "visit and search"3s to stop vessels suspected of carrying "con-traband" to the enemy.36 A belligerent warship sailing on the high seas had the right to visit and search all merchant vessels. Merchants found carrying enemy contraband were captured and escorted to the belligerent's nearest home port. The belligerent nation's prize court then determined the fate of the captured ship and cargo.37 In cases where merchants resisted either capture or visit and search, the blockading force was entitled to pursue and, if neces-sary, damage or destroy the vessel to force the ship to submit.

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                                        belligerents today continue to enforce blockades from long distance or through blockade zones. They do so because of three twentieth-century developments in maritime warfare: first, the growing importance to belligerents of conducting economic warfare in conjunction with armed con-flict;s3 second, the introduction of a large array of new weapons to the maritime battlefield; and third, the proliferation of modern weapons to less powerful nations incapable of conducting traditional blockade. In combination, these three developments have forced states to replace traditional blockade form with long-distance blockade or blockade zones.

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                                        No, source for it being the oldest part.

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                                        • C [email protected]

                                          That assumes the blockade is legal though? Has an international court that is recognized by the ship’s flag country declared the legality of the blockade?

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                                          I don’t know of a court ruling. The UN‘s Palmer Report declared it Legal.

                                          However as with lots of things regarding international law, there are different opinions.

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