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Professionals disagree with you.
Like it's in the definition lol.
Gambling
An Addictive Behavior with Health and Primary Care ImplicationsI feel like it's easy to conflate addiction with chemical addiction specifically. Anything that releases endorphins in your body can become addictive.
Watching TV, playing video games, sweet foods, sex, etc, all have the potential to become addictive.what's next are you gonna claim thigh highs can be addictive? this has the same vibe as "water is addictive" or "you have an oxygen addiction".
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I actually do know people who do this. Its pretty crazy to me. Like I game a decent amount, then feel bad that I wasted that time. So I do a bunch of projects and get out of the house to feel better. I guess these people don't have that need, which must be kind of nice!
Also card carrying ADHD but I believe in this quote (whoever originally said it).
Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time
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Also card carrying ADHD but I believe in this quote (whoever originally said it).
Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time
There's still a distinction between enjoying it in the particular moment versus enjoying the entire sum of all the moments, looking back.
In food testing there are different preferences for how much someone enjoys a single bite of something versus enjoying an entire serving of that same thing. So even if someone prefers a sip of Pepsi over Coca Cola, they may nevertheless prefer an entire can of Coke over Pepsi. Same with all sorts of other consumer preferences.
With online activity, there's a lot of stuff out there that is the equivalent of digital junk food, where you may enjoy a specific moment but feel shitty about spending an entire day on those individual moments. The payoff that can come from some of the long term patience can sometimes be more satisfying than an endless stream of instant gratification.
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Also card carrying ADHD but I believe in this quote (whoever originally said it).
Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time
That ia true, and i don't really think of it as a waste. But I have guilt that I always MUST BE DOING SOMETHING
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what's next are you gonna claim thigh highs can be addictive? this has the same vibe as "water is addictive" or "you have an oxygen addiction".
I'm going to give you the BoD and say that I think your confusing how addiction works and how the body regulates itself. Also, I should be more clear that anything causing an intense reward response can be addictive. Not just any old response will do, it has be a rush.
Addiction isn't just doing something repeatedly or enjoying something a lot. It's a progressive hijacking of the brain's reward system.
It starts with an activity (like gambling) triggering a strong reward response. That response draws people to repeat that activity for the "high". If the behavior is engaged in regularly, the brain adapts over time. The reward response becomes less intense (this is what "gaining a tolerance" is), causing the person to to engage in the behavior more frequently or intensely to get the same "high" as they did the first time. Eventually, the behavior stops illiciting a reward, and you start to get stressed without whatever behavior it is that originally made you feel high. The person is no longer seeking the behavior because their reward system is telling them to, but for relief from the stress and anxiety of NOT performing the behavior. This is where addiction occurs.Gambling, sex, and drugs all activate activate this feedback loop in the brains reward system. In contrast things like drinking water or wearing boots just just don't engage the reward system in the same way. You can experience this yourself by having an orgasm, drinking a glass of water, and comparing the difference in how you feel afterward. Drinking water and wearing clothes are biological necessities or habitual actions. They're not neurologically reinforced the same way that high reward activities like gambling or sex are.
I think we tend to prefer to think of chemical addiction as the true definition because of opiods like heroin. In the case of heroin, you're not activating your reward system so much as you're introducing a reward chemical WAYYY more powerful than anything your body can produce.
Other drugs don't replace dopamine tho, they just make your body release all of the dopamine it has at the same time, resulting in a similar, but less intense feeling. Getting addicted to these drugs is really no different, biologically speaking, than becoming addicted to a behavior.
Recognizing gambling as an addiction is not a slippery slope to naming more mundane things as addictions. It's the result of decades of work in neuroscience by thousands, if not millions, of doctors.
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I think of them as "Gotcha!" games, cause their point is to trick you.
For forever I thought that was the correct spelling and the entire point
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Games that require daily participation to make any sort of progress are a non-starter for me. I have other shit that's far more interesting than fake anime tiddies.
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And we wonder why Jordan Peterson telling someone like this to make their bed blows their whole mind.
Jordan Petersen is a trash heap and making a bad faith argument.
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I actually do know people who do this. Its pretty crazy to me. Like I game a decent amount, then feel bad that I wasted that time. So I do a bunch of projects and get out of the house to feel better. I guess these people don't have that need, which must be kind of nice!
Time enjoyed is not time wasted. It's a different matter if you play games but don't actually feel like you're enjoying it, though.
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I think that's where the term gacha comes from. A japanization of the term gotcha.
wrote last edited by [email protected]No, "gacha" comes from "gashapon," the crank vending machines, and the name is an onomatopoeia. "Gacha" (or "gasha") is the sound of the crank being turned, and "pon" is the sound of the capsule dropping out.
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What is that? Never seen that before
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gambling isn't an addiction, it's a lifestyle.
wrote last edited by [email protected]addictions counselor here, can confirm Rooskie91 has a pretty accurate response
I'm guessing where you get caught up is in the fact that it's a behavioral addiction , right?
well the medical community isn't far off. gambling disorder is only now just starting to become recognized as an addiction. there's trouble too, because "addiction" isn't an appropriate medical term anymore -- it's "substance use disorder" which encompasses a much wider range of problematic behaviors. and yet! if someone comes in with primary Dx Gambling Disorder, we can't bill that as SUD services because it's technically not a substance lol
behavioral addictions are very similar in how they work and how they're treated. tbh the main difference is just the lack of risk from acute intoxication / withdrawal. gambling disorder can and does completely ruin lives.
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what's next are you gonna claim thigh highs can be addictive? this has the same vibe as "water is addictive" or "you have an oxygen addiction".
here's a quick cheat sheet of current DSM criteria for a SUD:
::: spoiler spoiler1 increased amt used
2 desire/failure to reduce use
3 lots of time spent on it
4 cravings for it
5 life obligations unmet
6 social relationships disrupted
7 reduction in recreational activities
8 use even in dangerous situations
9 use despite medical risk
10 building tolerance
11 experiences withdrawal:::
you need at least 2 to meet mild criteria (very easy to meet mild!) and 6 or more to be considered severe
so let's look at oxygen addiction:
we dont increase our use over time, we have no desire or failure to reduce use (even if suicidal it's not about the oxygen), oxygen requires very little time to get, we generally dont crave it cuz we always got it and without it there are no cravings anyway, it doesnt disrupt obligations, doesnt impact relationships, doesnt impact recreation, we don't put ourselves in dangerous situations just to use it, there's no medical risk to consuming it, and we do not build tolerance. we DO experience w/d. so 1 out of 11 aint cuttin it, sorry!!
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I'm going to give you the BoD and say that I think your confusing how addiction works and how the body regulates itself. Also, I should be more clear that anything causing an intense reward response can be addictive. Not just any old response will do, it has be a rush.
Addiction isn't just doing something repeatedly or enjoying something a lot. It's a progressive hijacking of the brain's reward system.
It starts with an activity (like gambling) triggering a strong reward response. That response draws people to repeat that activity for the "high". If the behavior is engaged in regularly, the brain adapts over time. The reward response becomes less intense (this is what "gaining a tolerance" is), causing the person to to engage in the behavior more frequently or intensely to get the same "high" as they did the first time. Eventually, the behavior stops illiciting a reward, and you start to get stressed without whatever behavior it is that originally made you feel high. The person is no longer seeking the behavior because their reward system is telling them to, but for relief from the stress and anxiety of NOT performing the behavior. This is where addiction occurs.Gambling, sex, and drugs all activate activate this feedback loop in the brains reward system. In contrast things like drinking water or wearing boots just just don't engage the reward system in the same way. You can experience this yourself by having an orgasm, drinking a glass of water, and comparing the difference in how you feel afterward. Drinking water and wearing clothes are biological necessities or habitual actions. They're not neurologically reinforced the same way that high reward activities like gambling or sex are.
I think we tend to prefer to think of chemical addiction as the true definition because of opiods like heroin. In the case of heroin, you're not activating your reward system so much as you're introducing a reward chemical WAYYY more powerful than anything your body can produce.
Other drugs don't replace dopamine tho, they just make your body release all of the dopamine it has at the same time, resulting in a similar, but less intense feeling. Getting addicted to these drugs is really no different, biologically speaking, than becoming addicted to a behavior.
Recognizing gambling as an addiction is not a slippery slope to naming more mundane things as addictions. It's the result of decades of work in neuroscience by thousands, if not millions, of doctors.
well said thank you. you might enjoy some of my replies to them. idk how to tag on lemmy or id have
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Sure but then you only waste your time. Some more casual gachas, like star rail, are deliberately designed to be casual, in order to increase their retention rate(ie keep most of the players playing in the long term). They dont require much time daily(you can afk do the dailies in the background within 5mins) and while there is replayable content, it isnt necessary and eventually you will be done with that too.
Some gachas are more hardcore, demanding more time, which enables them to have a smaller pool of players who are more dedicated(ie less likely to quit because of sunk cost).
I assume addiction rates are higher on those gachas, then again mainstream casual gachas like star rail, have tens of millions of players, so maybe they have more "addicted" players(total, not as a percentage).
Sure but then you only waste your time.
not true at all. you can absolutely fuck up your social life and work life by paying free games. you can fuck up your medical life too. easily meeting criteria for gaming disorder mild severity without ever spending a dime
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Jordan Petersen is a trash heap and making a bad faith argument.
and... still blows their mind with "make your bed"
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Games that require daily participation to make any sort of progress are a non-starter for me. I have other shit that's far more interesting than fake anime tiddies.
It is simultaneously an obnoxious speed bump that slows down my ability to binge when I've got free time and a needy attention drain when I'm absorbed in something else.
Truly the worst of both worlds.
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Dude needs to stop playing predatory gacha games.
I don't understand people who WILLINGLY install that shit. They KNOW how they work and are monetized. And unlike gambling at a casino, there's zero chance of you being up money at any point.
I don’t understand people who WILLINGLY install that shit
The ads are everywhere and the games are often F2P - no barrier to download or install. Excellent for hooking younger kids, especially ones whose parents can't or won't give them access to the old fashioned games.
And unlike gambling at a casino, there’s zero chance of you being up money at any point.
Arguably the singular upside. You can coast in a Gacha game without losing a ton of money a lot longer than you'll last in Vegas.
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Wake up
Play Roguetrader
Get bored after 4 hours
Read Ciaphus Cain fanfics
Forget to eat
Jackoff
Pass out
Wakeup and eat expired MRE
Play Hoi4
Go to sleep
This was annoying to write on my phone.
