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    Somewhere along the way we built a system that doesn't actually require you to do or make anything. And that's been absolutely horrible.

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    We decided to do everything in the fake-world economy because the real world is too complicated.

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      Is it well known that this is how Microsoft practices TDD? Because that’s not the normal practice for TDD. TDD just means you write tests first, but normally the same person writes the tests and then makes them pass.

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      I was gonna say, that's not like any form of TDD I've ever come across.

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      • B [email protected]

        Lol, what? Just about every single government agency and most of corporate America is fully reliant on Microsoft software for their office suite, database management tools, SDEs, etc.

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        That dependency and collapse of financial systems is way different.

        Keep in mind that if Microsoft dies, their software does not immediately die. It will be replaced before windows fully dies.

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          My biggest issue with this kind of "TDD" is, you pay two people to write the same code twice. Test-driven can work if done correctly, but this just stupid.

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          I had a coworker who was obsessed with writing unit tests. He was the lead developer on a project which was supposed to take three months and at one point had gone past the two year mark without producing working code. At one point during a meeting with the increasingly (and legitimately) unhappy client, he blurted out "but we've written six times as much test code as actual code!" He was not exaggerating either. Believe it or not, this made the client even less happy.

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            Embrace Gaming, Extend Gaming, Extinguish Gaming.

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              That dependency and collapse of financial systems is way different.

              Keep in mind that if Microsoft dies, their software does not immediately die. It will be replaced before windows fully dies.

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              Tell that to the office 360 subscriptions everything runs on these days...

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                Tell that to the office 360 subscriptions everything runs on these days...

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                I know but a software switch will be way less harmful than collapse of banks

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                  This strategy is called putting all your eggs into the AI basket and then panic when the basket starts rip. So you patch it up with Xbox money because everyone says that basket will be awesome one day. This strategy only works when you have successful developers to sacrifice.

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                    Its genuinely crazy how the biggest software compsny on the planet is genuinely completely and utterly incompetent at making software. Like xbox is one thing, but even their core PC software is a complete fucking joke.

                    I unfortusntrly have to work with microsoft enviroments and if youre using a sharepoint list to store data and you hide a column, then want to unhide it, you need to go into the the kegacy version of sharepoint, then into the list settings, columns, then unhide the colum from there. And the "new" version of shsrepoint is like 3-4 yesrs old at this point, but still diesnt have all the basic features.

                    Then theres powerapps, which is genuinely just awful. Like say you have an app with multiple buttons you want to change the colour of. You cant select more than one at a time and change the colour en mass, you have to do each one individually.

                    Or when importing a project from another enviroment, you cant import multiple power automate workflows at once, you have to do each individually.

                    And that not even touching on fucking windows.

                    If they djdnt have the desktop PC market held completely hostage, they would have gone bankrupt a long time ago.

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                      Sales here. I know people who sell Azure and I can tell you for a fact that Microsoft's sales srategy is literally "well, you're already familiar with Windows/Office, so you might as well..."

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                        Sales here. I know people who sell Azure and I can tell you for a fact that Microsoft's sales srategy is literally "well, you're already familiar with Windows/Office, so you might as well..."

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                        Meanwhile, it was my familiarity with their products that drove me to Linux.

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                          https://luanti.org/

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                          That’s really cool but it’s just not quite the same. Luckily I found ElyPrismLauncher so I can play Minecraft without giving Microsoft any money.

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                            The why is really simple. The regular cuts are to keep salaries low by keeping the job market flush with candidates so salaries are suppressed across MS’s competitors too.

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                            yer not wrong.

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                            • gmtom@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                              Its genuinely crazy how the biggest software compsny on the planet is genuinely completely and utterly incompetent at making software. Like xbox is one thing, but even their core PC software is a complete fucking joke.

                              I unfortusntrly have to work with microsoft enviroments and if youre using a sharepoint list to store data and you hide a column, then want to unhide it, you need to go into the the kegacy version of sharepoint, then into the list settings, columns, then unhide the colum from there. And the "new" version of shsrepoint is like 3-4 yesrs old at this point, but still diesnt have all the basic features.

                              Then theres powerapps, which is genuinely just awful. Like say you have an app with multiple buttons you want to change the colour of. You cant select more than one at a time and change the colour en mass, you have to do each one individually.

                              Or when importing a project from another enviroment, you cant import multiple power automate workflows at once, you have to do each individually.

                              And that not even touching on fucking windows.

                              If they djdnt have the desktop PC market held completely hostage, they would have gone bankrupt a long time ago.

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                              I use a feature in Microsoft Outlook called "quick parts" every day to insert pre-configured tables into emails and "new Outlook" doesn't have this feature.

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                              • C [email protected]

                                I had a coworker who was obsessed with writing unit tests. He was the lead developer on a project which was supposed to take three months and at one point had gone past the two year mark without producing working code. At one point during a meeting with the increasingly (and legitimately) unhappy client, he blurted out "but we've written six times as much test code as actual code!" He was not exaggerating either. Believe it or not, this made the client even less happy.

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                                I think my last programming job (a couple of years ago) had a healthy relationship to tests. You had to do meet a certain coverage percentage, and if you had particularly interesting pieces of code, they should better be tested. But they acknowledged that 100% is just stupid, and that testing the same boilerplate over and over was a waste of time.

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                                  I've never heard TDD described like this. I cannot even understand how this works from a project standpoint.

                                  "We need a new feature. Todd's written the test already, so everyone just have at it with your fastest implementation; whoever passes first, gets to go to prod!"

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                                  It's insane, but it almost makes sense. If you have good tests, code that passes them should be a good enough start. Spend good money on devs that can write said tests, and then you can use them to drive productivity evaluation for those who aren't. As a bonus, if you need to "shed" "controllable" expenses, you can fire the cheap devs.

                                  I hate it.

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                                  • F [email protected]

                                    It's funny because the legacy Minecraft accounts could be migrated to mojang accounts from the time they made that option available to the time Microsoft killed migrating altogether.

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                                    I even tried to migrate mine, and it failed. After deleting my Mojang account.

                                    Tech support made a token attempt to help me and then gave up. So much for my capes, I guess...

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                                      what's the business strategy here

                                      Capatilism.

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