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Why is Lemmy so US-centric? The largest instances are in Europe, aren't they? So why does it have to be US news trolling as if it were Reddit?

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  • C [email protected]

    In pretty sure my instance is based in Germany, or somewhere in Europe at least. That doesn't really matter. You can belong to an instance hosted anywhere, and also I don't trust data privacy at all in the US so I'd rather not have my home instance be hosted here.

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    Presumably somewhere close enough that they don't want to risk breaking UK law as it's blocked here. Not sure if any other instances will follow. I think all of lemmy is probably against UK law now. Hope we will always have some instances or its small enough to get ignored.

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      That's so fascinating.

      As an American, only peak news from Mexico and Canada gets on my radar. I don't know shit about Brazil, Cuba, etc. and with my shit American education system, I can't even name the South American countries.

      So if you're in Italy, you don't give a shit about Austria, Switzerland, or France and their big news?

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      I remember in primary school that we were tasked with learning the names and capitals of all countries on the planet, continent for continent, so there is an early taught awareness of all countries, as well as a culture for backpacking, experiencing and adapting to other cultures.
      As a Norwegian, most news here are about here, and only major headlines from other countries are mentioned in the news, like the upcoming doctors strike in UK in the news today or the power outage in Spain a while back. Some more news from Sweden though, as it is our closest neighbour and the country we visit the most.

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      • V [email protected]

        ... but that's not as dramatic as the fall of arguably the most hated country in the world

        Easy there, lets not forget Israel. America is maybe right behind them though.

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        Israel wouldn't be high on that list without the sweetheart funding it gets from the United States to wage its atrocities.

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          No moose mentioned?

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          There was a story about moose some weeks ago, but it's been a while now, sadly.

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          • samus12345@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

            The US is the largest English-speaking country by far and this post is in English. Switch to another language and you'll see less US stuff.

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            That has nothing to do with anything. You will obviously not be aware of it, but by far the greater majority of English speakers you encounter on the internet are not actually from an English speaking country, and definitely not from the US. That is because English functions as the lingua franca of the internet, so we have to use English to be mutually understood.

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            • B [email protected]

              That's so fascinating.

              As an American, only peak news from Mexico and Canada gets on my radar. I don't know shit about Brazil, Cuba, etc. and with my shit American education system, I can't even name the South American countries.

              So if you're in Italy, you don't give a shit about Austria, Switzerland, or France and their big news?

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              Yes, we do.

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              • V [email protected]

                ... but that's not as dramatic as the fall of arguably the most hated country in the world

                Easy there, lets not forget Israel. America is maybe right behind them though.

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                Most of the things happening in Israel now is because of the US though. Netanyahu really felt empowered by Trump becoming president, and rightly so, because he can manipulate that orange toddler into doing anything he wants.

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                  Israel wouldn't be high on that list without the sweetheart funding it gets from the United States to wage its atrocities.

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                  It is not just the funding, they literally got a cheerleader in Trump, extremely eager to participate as well, as was seen with the bombing of Iran.

                  Netanyahu doesn't have to hold back anymore, he can blatantly genocide because he got the backing of the US, and the European leaders are mostly too spineless to cross the Americans.

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                  • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

                    Most of us came from Reddit, and Reddit is predominantly Americans.

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                    No, the majority of users on reddit are non-Americans. Americans are just the biggest national group of users, but they are a minority. You are more likely to be talking to a non-American than an American on reddit.

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                    • S [email protected]

                      Yes, that is the implication I was making to answer the original question. The majority of content here is in English-->the majority of English-first users are from the US-->this is why Lemmy seems so US-centric.

                      I was being a little obtuse because it's like a French-filtered user asking why social media seems so France-centric even though there's lots of social media in Africa--there are other languages that people use that you're not necessarily seeing on your feed.

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                      That is not the reality though. The majority of English-first users is a quite irrelevant statistic, since a majority of people from non-English speaking countries still uses English on the internet outside of their specific national environments. The majority of English speakers on the internet are non-Americans, so it explains nothing about why the English language (international) areas of lemmy are US-centric.

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                        The United States is a giant nation in the English language. It comprises of a majority of English as a first language speakers and a large percentage of English speakers overall. American media output is also going to be primarily in English, including local news.

                        In contrast, a nation like Germany is likely going to speak in German when possible. This likely includes media like news. So, when it comes to news articles, I don't expect English news from Germany to be written in anywhere near the quantity of English news written about California.

                        I feel like it would be like asking why Portuguese media focuses on Brazil.

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                        The majority of English speakers on the internet are non-Americans. In fact the majority of English speakers on the internet are not even from an English speaking country. That is because English is used as the international language on the internet.

                        So no, that is not the answer, even though a lot of native English speakers in this thread seems to think it is.

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                        • H [email protected]

                          English speakers will talk about the UK/Canada/Austrailia/etc. once one of them are on fire/falling into fascism as well.

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                          No, English speakers will talk about anything because speaking English on the internet says nothing about where you are from. It is the international language of the internet, not tied to any specific country.

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                          • D [email protected]

                            It's possible that most English-speakers on this planet are in the US.

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                            No, most English speakers on the planet are not from the US. In fact most English speakers on the planet are secondary speakers, and not even from an English speaking country.

                            English is used on the internet as an international language which enables people from all over the world to understand each other.

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                            • snoopy@tarte.nuage-libre.frS [email protected]

                              That's why we moved our french communities there, on jlai.lu. so if you have a jlai.lu account, you can set your timeline to local and then every news will be french.

                              There is another solution : PieFed. With PieFed account, you can subcribe to the flux i created :

                              • https://piefed.social/f/cafe_fr (a cosy place where news are removed)
                              • https://piefed.social/f/actu_fr (there is also canada, swiss and belgium. For the worst news, such us US, gaza...are in Actualités difficiles)
                              • https://piefed.social/f/peertube_fr (a curratod list of french peertube content)
                              • https://piefed.social/f/societe_fr (for feminism, 0 waste, less cars, deaf...)

                              Oh i forgot, on piefed, we have a keyword filter. You can add trump, musk, eipstein and then ask piefed to hide or blur those posts.

                              I hope it helped ya somehow 🙂

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                              I appreciate all the info, unfortunately there's several things that confuse me.

                              What's piefed, is this an instance or an app?

                              What do I do if I want Australia, France and a few other countries, do I need accounts in multiple instances? How do I find them? Can I have all of their posts collated simultaneously in my racoon app?

                              What's a flux?

                              Is there a book "Lemmy for Dummies"? Or perhaps a ted talk course to teach me basics?

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                                Because people engage with it regardless of wether they live there or not.

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                                • B [email protected]

                                  The majority of English speakers on the internet are non-Americans. In fact the majority of English speakers on the internet are not even from an English speaking country. That is because English is used as the international language on the internet.

                                  So no, that is not the answer, even though a lot of native English speakers in this thread seems to think it is.

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                                  I've mentioned in other cases that a lot of cultural post content is generally created mostly by people's first languages. Local news is likely going to be written in the local language. Discussions on media are likely going to be in the language the media was produced in unless it is a major national hit.

                                  I've mentioned that five more countries have English-speaking populations larger than the UK, but you're likely going to see a lot more post content on the UK over Indonesia because local Indonesian media likely isn't producing the quantity of English coverage as the UK. And I don't expect that to change, as such a change would mean killing local languages.

                                  You're focusing on the nationality of the readers. Most of the people arguing that the USA is the largest English-speaking country is focusing on those providing the written content.

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                                  • T [email protected]

                                    I appreciate all the info, unfortunately there's several things that confuse me.

                                    What's piefed, is this an instance or an app?

                                    What do I do if I want Australia, France and a few other countries, do I need accounts in multiple instances? How do I find them? Can I have all of their posts collated simultaneously in my racoon app?

                                    What's a flux?

                                    Is there a book "Lemmy for Dummies"? Or perhaps a ted talk course to teach me basics?

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                                    PieFed is a software that support flair, tags, multicommu...your instance has opened a PieFed instance there : https://piefed.world

                                    The account on jlai.lu allow ya to use local shorting so you can switch to french content or english easily as we do.

                                    A flux, is a piefed feature, this is a multicommunity. They can be public (shared to everyone) or private. So you can create flux based on countries, language, whatever come to your mind...on subcribe to an available flux, import existing one to your piefed instance...

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                                      Because in a 24 hour news cycle the most interesting story gets the most airtime? Also we likely outnumber you on any engagement. I can't tell you the last time I saw a story from Canada or Germany or the uk that beats felonious demented white nationalist pedophile attempts to ruin entire world in narcissistic crashout. Even if a euro story is important, There are likely less lemmy users who even have a chance of seeing the story much less understand the context enough to engage. Even chinese people are engaging with America's shit show on xiaohongshu. It's a matter of worldwide impact on every platform. Everyone here to watch Nero fiddle

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                                      • M [email protected]

                                        I mean honestly this is the most deranged and worst it's been in my ... at least adult lifetime. I think a lot of the political mess we're in is tied into our appetite for some pretty terrible pop culture. Yes, yes, we have moral and intelligent and sane people here too, but the way that we have leaned in so hard to trashy reality television, infuencers, anything to grab your attention and reward it monetarily...hell we have a reality tv president. It's not the only reason I think we're in the mess, but I think we've been primed to accept more and more outrageous behavior cause we've always been over the top and big and loud. I always assumed I'd live in a democracy, it was just a given. This is the first time I'm doubting it.

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                                        Yeah fam we live in a fascist oligarchy masquerading as a democracy. Been that way probably our whole lives, it's just the latest puppet gave the game away pretty hard. Hope you'll keep following the white rabbit for your own self edification but stay hydrated and fed and look after your safety, things can get a lot worse before enough people come together to make it better.

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                                          Because US news are the funniest and the most absurd.

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