A Deal You Cannot Refuse
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If I was going to commit crimes why would I go to grad school?
Might as well not even get the debt
Hey I hear ya. That's how I did it, personally.
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That's why I'm a socialist
But not that socialist
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I deserved that, and amazing meme
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I love that this goofy-looking kid is now the (other) heartthrob from The Bear.
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In the ancestral environment we would still work all day to survive, and we wouldn't have medicine or YouTube for it either. There could obviously be a more equitable system today, and the end goal is that humans don't have to work any more, but it's disingenuous to imply that the capitalist division of labour model is an alternative to not working and still getting stuff.
Good, we are in agreement. No one is implying that work is unnecessary. Labor has existed for as long as we have -- much longer than capitalism. To equate this sentiment with the original post appears disingenuous.
Capitalism is exploitative by necessity. The rise of machines during the industrial revolution divorced the worker from the fruits of their labor and from the tools with which to produce them. Now we, the workers, are dependent on the owners for wages to sustain the material conditions of our existence. Much like how the manorial system forced the feudal serf to cultivate the land, today's workers are institutionally coerced: we sell ourselves by the year or by the hour. Meanwhile, the owners reap the vast profits watered by the sweat of labor while seeking to reduce the price of labor down to whatever minuscule sum allows us to continue working. There is, indeed, a more equitable system available.
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In the ancestral environment we would still work all day to survive, and we wouldn't have medicine or YouTube for it either. There could obviously be a more equitable system today, and the end goal is that humans don't have to work any more, but it's disingenuous to imply that the capitalist division of labour model is an alternative to not working and still getting stuff.
Yeah, it used to be sunup to sundown, 6 days a week. And the seventh was hardly a day of rest. And, there was no retirement at 65. There was working until you died, or at least working until you were very feeble and hoping that your children would take care of you in your old age (which just added to the work they had to do). Work also wasn't this thing that you had to start doing after university. It was this thing you started going before you hit puberty. You'd be feeding the animals, or helping mend the clothing as a child, and that work would continue for your entire life.
And, even if things were distributed more equitably, work would still be necessary. In fact, if things were distributed more equitably, it wouldn't be illegal immigrants or immigrants on short-term visas doing a lot of the agricultural work, it would be the kinds of people who complain about their 9-5 jobs.
The sad fact is that getting enough variety on your plate, a comfortable roof over your head, and entertainment in your eyes requires a lot of work from a lot of people. It would be really nice if we lived in a post-scarcity world with replicators to provide any food anybody desired, and robots to repair everything that broke. But, we're not there yet. Spending all day working 5 days a week feels rough, and maybe if things were more fairly distributed we'd only be working 3 days a week. But, until we invent the replicator, we're still going to need farms, and farms will need farm workers, and farm workers will need mattresses and roofs and vehicles, and those vehicles will require tires, and those tires will need to be tested for safety, and those safety testers will need computers, and those computers will need programmers, and those programmers will need caffeine...
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But not that socialist
The Socialist
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Yeah, it used to be sunup to sundown, 6 days a week. And the seventh was hardly a day of rest. And, there was no retirement at 65. There was working until you died, or at least working until you were very feeble and hoping that your children would take care of you in your old age (which just added to the work they had to do). Work also wasn't this thing that you had to start doing after university. It was this thing you started going before you hit puberty. You'd be feeding the animals, or helping mend the clothing as a child, and that work would continue for your entire life.
And, even if things were distributed more equitably, work would still be necessary. In fact, if things were distributed more equitably, it wouldn't be illegal immigrants or immigrants on short-term visas doing a lot of the agricultural work, it would be the kinds of people who complain about their 9-5 jobs.
The sad fact is that getting enough variety on your plate, a comfortable roof over your head, and entertainment in your eyes requires a lot of work from a lot of people. It would be really nice if we lived in a post-scarcity world with replicators to provide any food anybody desired, and robots to repair everything that broke. But, we're not there yet. Spending all day working 5 days a week feels rough, and maybe if things were more fairly distributed we'd only be working 3 days a week. But, until we invent the replicator, we're still going to need farms, and farms will need farm workers, and farm workers will need mattresses and roofs and vehicles, and those vehicles will require tires, and those tires will need to be tested for safety, and those safety testers will need computers, and those computers will need programmers, and those programmers will need caffeine...
wrote last edited by [email protected]Of course we have to work. We still need food, water, shelter, etc., and machines will not fulfill these needs on their own (at least not yet). However, given the recent increases in productivity and corporate wealth, do you believe it is necessary for us to work as much as we do in order to fulfill everyone's needs?
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I love that this goofy-looking kid is now the (other) heartthrob from The Bear.
Wait, who is this kid? I have clearly missed some things
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Of course we have to work. We still need food, water, shelter, etc., and machines will not fulfill these needs on their own (at least not yet). However, given the recent increases in productivity and corporate wealth, do you believe it is necessary for us to work as much as we do in order to fulfill everyone's needs?
Not quite as much, but not enough to make a major difference.
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Wait, who is this kid? I have clearly missed some things
wrote last edited by [email protected]In "We're the Millers", the source of this image (from 2013) he was a goofy-looking kid.
Now, on The Bear he's Hot Chef Luca.
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This post was probably posted by an a US or Europe person doing more than 2k usd a month.
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This post was probably posted by an a US or Europe person doing more than 2k usd a month.
When your rent is almost a thousand, then it dries up fast.
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In "We're the Millers", the source of this image (from 2013) he was a goofy-looking kid.
Now, on The Bear he's Hot Chef Luca.
Oh wow, TIL, thanks! So crazy
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When your rent is almost a thousand, then it dries up fast.
Only $1000? Most basic falling apart apartments are almost $2k in many states from what I've seen
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Only $1000? Most basic falling apart apartments are almost $2k in many states from what I've seen
If you live in a fly over state like me it’s on average like 700
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The secret to reclaiming your life is the the 8 hours that've been stored away and you're that you'rw missing out on.
snorts caffine
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The secret to reclaiming your life is the the 8 hours that've been stored away and you're that you'rw missing out on.
snorts caffine
Come again?
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This post was probably posted by an a US or Europe person doing more than 2k usd a month.
and?
where is the difference between earning $300 and needing $285 to stay alive, and earning $2000 and needing $1900 to stay alive?
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and?
where is the difference between earning $300 and needing $285 to stay alive, and earning $2000 and needing $1900 to stay alive?
So, 300-285 =15
2000-1900 = 100
Δ = 85
So 85% difference... altough I get you don't meant that, but still, people from those places don't realize the huge amount of stuff they get from granted, I'm a socialist anyways, but you need to be educated on where you stand on the world, I'm neither saying I'm personally dying of hunger or whatever, but the reality of the average person in a rich country, is heaps higher than whatever, is annoying for me to no end to see people complaining about having so much in reality, clean running water, sewage, a police than when you call it, it shows up, chances at an education, etc... people literally die of diharrea because unsanitary conditions, you should cherish being born in one of those countries, and still strive for the better, but do not forget how far you have come, eaning 2k/month for working 40h/week is such a sweet deal for the majority of people on earth, don't act like it isn't, because, in part, the only reason those countries can have so much wealth, is because for all that other people life isn't as nice, in a way, those rich countries have outsourced crappy jobs elsewhere, and that's not necessarily bad, those countries, my country, deserve to develop, but you at least must be aware of all of it.
Sorry for the word salad, it just annoys me to no end how all these first worlders don't realize how good they have it in life.
