Donald Trump Pulling US Troops From Europe in Blow to NATO Allies: Report

[eatmytaxes44@futurology.today]

Beside, it's not that old so that people don't get cancer from agent orange anymore.

What a scummy country, the USA

[eatmytaxes44@futurology.today]

Ah yes I benefited a lot from having nazi gangsters roaming free funded by gladio money.

[mothmandelorian@lemmy.world]

If NATO and the US are no longer as much if a factor? He can project westward with less fear.

[warl0k3@lemmy.world]

I hate to be the "ra ra america" guy here, but you know that's totally within the power of any country we have a base in to do, right? Our base leases can all be terminated by the host country pretty much whenever they want, and we'll leave. This even happens sometimes, too - it's partially why we withdrew from afghanistan. With one or two (cough cough) notable exceptions, US bases are established because we were invited by the host government.

[warl0k3@lemmy.world]

It's depressing, but the US is the main supporter of the Ukraine war effort. Europe has been able to rely on a US-backed NATO for a long time, and boy oh boy is trump making it clear what a bad idea that was. If the US stops supporting Ukraine, even just materially (i.e. we keep supplying intelligence and similar), the war will turn depressingly quickly. Hopefully they've been able to inflict enough damage on the russian economy that they'll agree to a cease fire, but no european nations are equipped to fight the war of attrition Ukraine has turned into.

[jokedeity@lemm.ee]

Donald Trump is going to kill millions, maybe billions of people in the long run from the collective effort of all his combined actions, and it sounds like the majority of people will be applauding the entire time right up to the very moment it's their head on the block. Tankies, conservatives, and centrists cheer as Earth burns.

[jaxxed@lemmy.ml]

Well that could be tough for Europe to quickly adapt to ... but ok.

Will they pull out of Greenland?

[kissaki@feddit.org]

I don't think it's disingenuous. Omission of context in specific criticism doesn't invalidate said criticism.

[kissaki@feddit.org]

We've seen war between nuclear nations. It's not necessarily a deterrent from war. Russia is not using nukes against Ukraine either. It's merely a deterrent from escalation to that degree.

[leftytighty@slrpnk.net]

A multi-millionaire can lose their money, a billionaire gets more than they can spend just by having it

[nalivai@lemmy.world]

Well, right now Putin is the only one Europe needs to be defended from, so they will still devote full attention. More, probably, since Europe will be forced to hasten the military policy renewal

[howru68@lemmy.world]

We've seen war between nuclear nation

Ofcourse, having nukes is not an guarantee, but highly increases deterrence.
Also, most wars we've seen are cold wars and or proxy wars though.

Ukraine had a huge nuclear arsenal (third in the world), which it then ceded to Russia in the 1994 Budapest memorandum Kyiv post.

[aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

America's only real ally is Israel, the rest are just "allies" as long as it's convenient.

[libertylizard@slrpnk.net]

True but it’s not direct military action so I was trying to find a more direct comparison.

[puntinoblue@lemmy.ml]

The US uses their military bases to extend their sphere of influence: which makes me think that maybe they should pay the host countries not viceversa. If they invade Greenland the number of their bases in the EU will go to zero.

[viking@infosec.pub]

That's exactly what will happen, since we have laws in Germany against leaving homes unoccupied (with severe fines), so if the landlord can't find a tenant willing to pay the extortionate rate, they have to lower the rate closer to market or risk paying triple of what they might be missing out on otherwise.

[federalreverse@feddit.org]

People have also thought the same of Hitler, and he caused massive chaos before going down stupidly.

Why the Hitler comparison? The idea that people thought Hitler was stupid in particular seems like something that would need backup.

[federalreverse@feddit.org]

And Trump lost a lot of money at times, if you think back 2 or so years, it was unclear whether the descriptor "billionaire" was still accurate

[braininabox@lemmy.ml]

and we’ll leave

Lol

[warl0k3@lemmy.world]

I know it goes against the narrative, but like, yeah, we do. There's plenty of examples of this, even in the modern era, and you can find them pretty easily when you look into this topic. Honestly the thing that's weird even for me, an american: we use withdrawing one of our bases from a country as a threat when we're negotiating. A really really effective one, too. It turns out that, while having a concentration of spunky 18 year old boys with lil' matching outfits is very obnoxious for those living near them, governments the world over see way more to gain from having us there than from asking us to leave (I admit this is partially because when this happens, we go to their neighbors who they've hated for the last five hundred years or something and then ask if they would be willing to host a us base, at a large premium...).