In shock announcement, Trump says U.S. wants to take over Gaza Strip

[supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz]

This is what almost every legitimate progressive voice I knew did.

It is what I did.

It is what every leftist I know did.

When will libs understand leftists are serious in their coalition building and stop existentially questioning the trustworthiness of our intentions?

Disagree with me, lets talk policy, let us hash out together the 1000 ways things were able to get this bad... but *please fucking STOP categorically calling into question our intentions or ability to make the necessary play none of us are excited about. This is baby stuff, leftist discourse discusses this stuff constantly.

The people who didn't turn out to vote weren't highly informed leftists and more importantly weren't the kind of people who give a shit about hearing what terminally upset leftists had to say. If you think Sam Seder, Emma Vigeland, Krystal Ball and Kyle Kulinsky, The Rational National, Benjamin Dixon etc... had an impact on unengaged low information voters you are making an absurd leap of thinking... and they advocated for voting for Harris anyways, go back, check the receipts.

[solidshake@lemmy.world]

It's funny because millions of people did vote, but it was never counted. And like 2020... These uncounted votes are proven

[theloweststone@lemmy.world]

Take a sip, if you dare.

Don't threaten me with a good time.

[shepherdpie@midwest.social]

I did misinterpret you, and I agree with what you're saying in this comment, but I don't think people like Harris, Biden, or Clinton are on our side in this war, nor are the party leaders who pushed them on us.

[ricecake@sh.itjust.works]

On what? It's all crazy. "We're going to invade Gaza" is just as insane as "we're going to put 18 year olds in charge of the Treasury", "eliminate the department of education" or "win the war on diversity".

[tyfud@lemmy.world]

Nah. We're all just pissed that these shortsighted idiots decided to try and make a point about biden/harris and trump/vance being the same for Gaza/Palestine and in so doing, ended the longest running democracy in human history, to say nothing of making our lives a fucking hell for the next however many years until this shitshow is over or the country implodes.

[orclev@lemmy.world]

But yeah, people are going to remind you that the alternative is worse, so that hopefully we can avoid this if there ever is a next time.

The thing is though that I don't think anyone doesn't already know that. The people who legitimately didn't vote for Harris in the general election won't care because they'll say "I didn't vote for Trump either, so it's not my fault" and no amount of everyone telling them it is or explaining the reality of our terrible first past the post system is going to change that. You're basically preaching to the choir here and it's frankly nothing but a distraction from addressing the real and pressing issue of the white nationalist fascists literally seizing power right now. The thousandth "told ya so" post isn't doing anything more than the last 990 did besides stroking your own ego.

[zorque@lemmy.world]

The US is his focus, everything else is a means to an end. Either to distract people with his antics, rile up his base to hate "the others", or get his detractors reacting instead of acting.

He has always been a two-bit conman, the problem is he's got the backing to get everyone hunting the queen, while his friends are busy picking our pockets.

[the_terrible_humbaba@slrpnk.net]

I'm so fucking tired of seeing this comment, because it's just so unbelievably dumb. It would make (some level of) sense in posts about Elon taking over the government and immigrants being sent to Guantanamo Bay, but here? Like, just genuinely fucking stupid. And yet people keep fucking making them in all news threads about Palestine.

Can anyone here actually show me examples of people saying that Trump wouldn't do this? Because all I saw was people saying that Palestine is going to be fucked regardless, and they didn't want to cast their vote for someone who was going to support genocide. Meanwhile, comments like this one imply those people thought Palestine would be saved by not voting for Dems, which is a straw man.

Did you guys just forget how much happened under the Dems, and think Kamala winning would actually have improved things for Palestine? Is that it? Do you think it's somehow worse for Palestinians now?

Here is an article from July 2023: Israel Is Officially Annexing the West Bank

December 2023: Nearly 100,000 Gaza buildings may be damaged, satellite images show

9th of August 2024: ‘Everything is legitimate’: Israeli leaders defend soldiers accused of rape

30th of August 2024: Harris says she won’t change US policy on arming Israel, stresses need for hostage deal

Stop with this comment in Palestine posts already. It's seriously the dumbest fucking place you can make them. Go make these comments in a post about Trump censoring scientists or something.

[the_terrible_humbaba@slrpnk.net]

It literally is a perfect example of "Blue MAGA" to make these comments in posts about Palestine, as if anyone ever though Trump would be better for Palestine, or as if the Dems hadn't been the ones in power until last November and Kamala was still "unwavering" in her support of Israel.

Here is a bit of a refresher on all that was happening in Palestine while the Dems were in power and Kamala was "unwavering" in her support.

If you don't wanna sound like Blue MAGA, go make these comments on literally any other thread about what the US is doing, not ones about Palestine.

[chowjeebai@lemmy.world]

And we're getting dragged into the muck by morons and one issue virtue signaling idiots who are no more informed than them.

[shepherdpie@midwest.social]

When you refuse to see that picking evil will never lead to anything other than additional harm and suffering, you're saying you're comfortable with that.

How can you take issue with the person who chose another path and not the one you literally described as "evil?"

[venusaur@lemmy.world]

Why not be mad at Dens for not doing a better job and having better candidates?

That’s like Burger King serving poop burgers and you’re pissed that people stopped eating shit burgers cuz now Burger King is closed and they built a Chick Fil A in it’s place.

[sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz]

I agree with you. To anyone who still pretends Trump and Kamala were equally terrible with regard to Palestine: Kamala vocally supported an end to the war* and a two-state solution**, a prevailing US diplomatic philosophy. Please watch what Trump said tonight— it is so much worse than that. He advocates for the full removal of Palestinian people from their homeland.

*it is a genocide and not a war, I disagree with her.

**a two-state solution is not adequate as long as Israel continues to act as it does currently. Free Palestine. I disagree with her.

[grundlbutter@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

I mean, it's also part of the discourse in social media, too. The person I replied to actually asked for the opinion related to those who share the same sentiment as I do. In this instance, it is kinda on you that you kept reading the thread.

Though I would agree that the overall focus should be on what we do from here. And to that, I'd like to see some form of organized community action, protest, or something like that start to pick up steam so that I could support or participate in.

[shepherdpie@midwest.social]

Why because I don't blindly support and fiercely defend a strategy that tanked nearly three Democratic presidential candidates in a row?

Nah, it's definitely going to work the fourth time. I'm back on board.

[sir_pronoun@lemmy.world]

lol yeah it's worse now, what the hell are you saying

[orclev@lemmy.world]

The issue is that it's practically the only thing being commented in any post related to Palestine and it's drowning out all the useful discussion that needs to be taking place. Pick any post about Palestine and look at the comments and the overwhelming majority of them are some variation on "boy, I bet all those people who refused to vote for Harris are so happy now", which is about as useful a comment as all the idiots that used to rush to post "First" on articles back in the day.

These "told you so" comments are so pervasive it's starting to feel vaguely like astroturfing. A bunch of comments encouraging non-Republican voters to fight amongst themselves and drowning out any possible productive discussion or organization sure sounds like it would be a brilliant move by the fascist supporters. I'm not suggesting everyone making those comments is astroturfing or a troll, but the absolute way that's blanketing all discussion around Palestine sure does make me wonder if some of them are.

[the_terrible_humbaba@slrpnk.net]

Explain to me how, then. Don't be abstract or vague. Tell me, right now, concretely and materialistically, and preferably with sources, how are things worse for Palestinians right now?

I've had this argument before and I never got an answer. Do you think it makes any difference for a Palestinian who is being shot/tortured/raped/blown up/having their home destroyed if the weapons and ammo that are being used to achieve those goals come from one American party or the other? Or did you just forget everything that was happening in Palestine before Trump was elected? Feel free to look at the links I posted.

[drzoidberg@lemmy.world]

I'm so sorry, I didn't realize you were literally mentally challenged.