John Oliver promoted alternatives to big tech in last night's episode, including Mastodon and Pixelfed
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This right here, the everyday person doesn't know what federation is let alone believes that it's an alternative to federated platforms. They see it as a better Twitter that's not run by Musk and honestly that's all they need to know.
They haven't gone through the churn of corporate emshittification enough yet I'd have to guess.
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Can anyone explain Bluesky vs Mastodon as Twitter alternatives, asking as someone who never really used Twitter much anyway?
On the surface, both of them look very similar in format. They also both advertise themselves as decentralized and different from traditional social media, arguing that they won't face the same problems old social media did.
Mastodon uses ActivityPub, which is the widely used standard that most other fediverse platforms use. Mastodon is properly decentralized, where all the servers can interact and operate independently.
BlueSky made their own standard, citing that ActivityPub wasn't enough for what they wanted to do, and in some ways that's true. However with their structure, a centralized relay is needed in order for different instances to interact and so people argue that it isn't truly decentralized. BlueSky is either the only instance, or basically the only instance.
BlueSky is also a VC backed company while Mastodon is now under a nonprofit. BlueSky has its roots in crypto tech.
My personal opinion is that I really hope bluesky does what they're promising, but I'm not expecting them to be any different than Twitter once they get a critical mass of users and the investors demand profits / infinite growth.
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On the surface, both of them look very similar in format. They also both advertise themselves as decentralized and different from traditional social media, arguing that they won't face the same problems old social media did.
Mastodon uses ActivityPub, which is the widely used standard that most other fediverse platforms use. Mastodon is properly decentralized, where all the servers can interact and operate independently.
BlueSky made their own standard, citing that ActivityPub wasn't enough for what they wanted to do, and in some ways that's true. However with their structure, a centralized relay is needed in order for different instances to interact and so people argue that it isn't truly decentralized. BlueSky is either the only instance, or basically the only instance.
BlueSky is also a VC backed company while Mastodon is now under a nonprofit. BlueSky has its roots in crypto tech.
My personal opinion is that I really hope bluesky does what they're promising, but I'm not expecting them to be any different than Twitter once they get a critical mass of users and the investors demand profits / infinite growth.
wonder why he didn't mention Lemmy
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Not friendica, which seems an obvious facebook alternative.
Also, I think they're onto something with their fuck it approach that every social media platform would benefit from.
The internet was mostly that before.
Content moderation primarily serves advertisers, it was never really for the people.The Internet was never supposed to have a central authority beyond the DNS tables.
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Yeah I think it's best we don't advertise this place. It's a little strange.
We need to get more people in here if we want it to actually be a Reddit competitor. Right now it’s good for some communities, but smaller ones are still extremely underpopulated.
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Isn't it easier to handle most users on on server than it is to have a bunch of equal servers? Then the problem just moves off the one server towards the communication between the servers being the bottleneck.
The way lemmy (and federation) works, it needs to do a bunch of operations that can't happen simultaneously, so there's a job queue. The queue needs to do some database operations and a bunch of communication operations and each of the jobs needs to reach out to distant servers that may or may not be overwhelmed themselves.
You start with one server it costs almost nothing to host. Sooner or later you want to split out the job servers, then you end up needing to split out the database, when you start getting that many people on your server now you want to consider fault tolerance, Even after tuning you can only fit so many simultaneous users on a web server, you end up needing to do some load balancing. The next step would be trying to split it up geography-wise.
That's scaling up and it's what big companies do and it's very expensive but easy for a small team to manage.
Lemmy on the other hand is designed to be scaled out, running smaller individual user bases on lighter hardware with a bunch of individual administrators instead of a organized team.
If people want to be on a large single cluster application Reddit is still there.
I like what we have a lot better.
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It costs me less than $10/mo to run mine and some of that is because I have to pay for an email forwarder until my hosting provider lets me start sending emails, part of that is factoring the cost of the domain name. The actual cloud server costs $5/mo right now.
Yeah, you can get away with really cheap operations up until you start blowing through your cdn and communication budget
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I’m sure he’s going to be facing lawsuits from Краснов and Wormtongue.
I don't get it
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Come to Lemmy, we got: blood thirsty Linux users, furries, femboys, communists, and tankies. Also, porn.
*porn involving some or all of the above
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The porn is sadly lacking, actuallly.
Be the change you want to see
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I don't get it
Dipshit in chief and his butthurt-prone sidekick will probably sue.
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Is sh.itjust.works not federated with lemmynsfw.com? Or maybe you use a Front page or Local feed. Here on world (no comment on the instance wars), lemmynsfw communities pretty regularly show up on my All feed. Seems like whatever they do with posts over there really makes the "Active" sorter happy, if you know what I mean
That's what I was wondering. For a while I swear naked images of Rinkunn were more prevalent than The Picard Maneuver. I'm an All user mostly out of curiosity but disappointed that I think world defederated from one of the major furry ones cause that dropped considerably.
Wait, is disappointed the right word? I guess it is, although maybe i just miss their positivity. I'm still cool with hexbear being defederated, after all. Lol
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Don't get me wrong, I agree with everything you've said here.
SMS and MMS are an antique technology, I can't argue that. But it's not going to change the fact that my family is not going to install another messaging app on their device in order to talk to me. They're going to text me or call me anyway so therefore there's no point, and hopefully with the improvements on the RCS standard the issues that have occurred with SMS and MMS will go away.
As is I have four different messaging apps on my phone ignoring my messages app, signal (which I can count on one hand the amount of my friends that have an account), Discord which the majority of my online friends are on, and less than a handful of my relatives are on. Telegram which I mostly have for artists, and Revolt which I really should uninstall but like I really want that project to go somewhere.
My family is almost exclusively on Facebook messenger, I do not use Facebook Messenger, sms/rcs is the only system that my relatives and I both have, and they're not about to dump Facebook Messenger which works completely for what they want solely to talk to one person which would be me.
So yes I fully agree with everything you've stated there, 100%. But it's a perfect example of how on paper it sounds amazing but in practice it doesn't work. At the end of the day my family is going to text me regardless if I tell them that I'm on Signal, because I'm not on Facebook and they already have SMS on their phone
Oh in practice it works quite well for me, basically all my friends and family use Signal now. You can slightly push them towards that, explain the obvious pros, it's simple to install, so it's just a small matter of convincing. I only rarely use WhatsApp for some external groups.
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Holy shit! A sane rational Lemmy user in the /c/Fediverse community! Someone who sees the bigger picture, and isn't just reacting to this small niche area of the internet.
Look, I love Lemmy, but I can't sit by and act like just because something is a better service, and makes logical sense to use, that people will ever have even heard of it. That's not how PEOPLE work. Yes, Lemmy is better than reddit. But no, Lemmy will not overtake reddit in usercount maybe in my lifetime. Unless reddit gets sold, and then plummets into death like myspace did. Then Lemmy wins by default, but it's not the same thing.
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everyone(well, everyone but you I guess) most people on this community seems to miss all that.I think the uphill battle here is that a good amount of the active users on lemmy are probably very tech savvy. The percentage of us who aren’t, are doing it wrong in their eyes.
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The thing that it really has going for itself is that it simply isn't twitter. And Muskler made sure that's a huge deal.
Using it myself, this is technically true but also it's literally Twitter pre-takeover-- like a fork all the tolerable people started using. You've got your George Takei and your Stephen King, etc, so it's what left of center normies can enjoy without being a little too far (like us, here).
If I'm being honest, I prefer to mix the two communities because a little too much Fediverse can make you go crazy, plus I spread Lemmy ideology there cause someone's gotta bring up class warfare and Linux, right?
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Using it myself, this is technically true but also it's literally Twitter pre-takeover-- like a fork all the tolerable people started using. You've got your George Takei and your Stephen King, etc, so it's what left of center normies can enjoy without being a little too far (like us, here).
If I'm being honest, I prefer to mix the two communities because a little too much Fediverse can make you go crazy, plus I spread Lemmy ideology there cause someone's gotta bring up class warfare and Linux, right?
Oh I agree. I'm just not there because twitter was never my thing. Keep up the fediverse propaganda, comrade.
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Wait how is Squid this popular?
I'd say it is more notoriety than popularity.
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Come to Lemmy, we got: blood thirsty Linux users, furries, femboys, communists, and tankies. Also, porn.
And knives.
And beans.
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How much do you need!?????!
What exactly does a DragonTypeWyvern tail look like?
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Yeah, you can get away with really cheap operations up until you start blowing through your cdn and communication budget
I'm not too worried about it.
