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John Oliver promoted alternatives to big tech in last night's episode, including Mastodon and Pixelfed

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  • A [email protected]

    I think the uphill battle here is that a good amount of the active users on lemmy are probably very tech savvy. The percentage of us who aren’t, are doing it wrong in their eyes.

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    Fully Agree.

    Mastodon, Lemmy and the likes are all enthusiast platforms in my eyes. Their primary userbase of the more savvy folk who are early adopters. I also believe it's why many don't fully get how complicated the fediverse really is to comprehend. To many the hurtles are just costs of being in the field/having a tech passion, hopefully it will be adopted but like, I still think the UI and general behavior and mechanics of it will be a fairly big roadblock.

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    • muntedcrocodile@lemm.eeM [email protected]

      Well fuck the mastodonians their stupidity is no reason to make everyone else's experience shitter.

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      I would have put it in less harsh terms, but yes, basically this.

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        mastodon is already the next twitter, bluesky is just a direct copy of it with nothing keeping it from going the same way. mastodon is open source (can't be corpoed), federated (can talk to other platforms/instances so being on a small one doesn't hurt anything), and most importantly, uses a protocol that doesn't make self-hosting impossible due to storage requirements.

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        And is comprised entirely of no one I care to follow, awesome.

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        • D [email protected]

          I say give it three years and blue sky will just be a neolib twitter

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          My recent experience bluesky social was right wing. I got marked as spam immediately for commenting left wing, polite normal stuff, no arguments or anything controversial. My appeals were ignored for weeks so I left.

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          • C [email protected]

            Why bluesky instead of mastodon?

            Are you just commenting how the people who use something like twitter are eager to be herded like sheep into the next walled garden?

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            #273

            Why bluesky instead of mastodon?

            Because there is only so much oxygen in the room, and corporate ventures like Bluesky seem to come into really exciting DIY community spaces that are creating amazing things and pull the oxygen out of the room while never quite delivering on what they are promising... or seeming to promise...

            Remember we are not the customers of corporate social media companies, we are the raw husks they extract value from through surveillance capitalism and ads/paid content.

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            • N [email protected]

              My recent experience bluesky social was right wing. I got marked as spam immediately for commenting left wing, polite normal stuff, no arguments or anything controversial. My appeals were ignored for weeks so I left.

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              #274

              Interesting info, thank you. It isn't FOSS so I don't plan on actively using it but I try to keep my finger on what's up. I don't miss Reddit and wish I didn't need a FB for my job. My account is almost a ghost though and I don't have it on my phone. I'm sure they still have way too much data on me though.

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              • otter@lemmy.caO [email protected]

                If you've been sitting on making a post about your favorite instance, this could be a good opportunity to do so.

                Going by our registration applications, a lot of people are learning about the fediverse for the first time and they're excited about the idea. I've really enjoyed reading through them πŸ™‚

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                i'm on a finnish instance but i'm on ihio

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                • L [email protected]

                  I think that it's just words & images on a screen that we could easily ignore like people did before, and people are indulging a grandiose conceit by thinking that moderation is that important or serves any greater cause than the interests of moderators.
                  On social media that seems to be to serve the consumers, by which I mean the advertisers & commercial interests who pay for the attention of users.
                  While the old internet approach of ignoring, gawking at the freakshow, or ridiculing/flaming toxic & hateful shit worked fine then resulting in many people disengaging, ragequitting, or going outside to do something better, that's not great for advertisers protecting their brand & wanting to keep people pliant & unchallenged as they stay engaged in their uncritical filter bubbles & echo chambers.

                  With old internet, safety didn't wasn't internet nanny, thought police shit, and stop burning my virgin eyes & ears.
                  It was an anonymous handle, not revealing personally identifying information (a/s/l?), not falling for scams & giving out payment information (unless you're into that kinky shit).
                  Glad to see newer social media returning to some of that.

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                  I wholeheartedly agree, the only censorship should be in the individuals hands and only affects them. Aka blocking other users or content from being displayed on your own account. My moral compass does not need to be everyone's moral compass.

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                  • N [email protected]

                    Have you heard of bridgy?

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                    #277

                    Yes, but it’s not relevant to the point I was making

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                    • H [email protected]

                      And here’s how and why it will be enshitified:

                      https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/02/ulysses-pact/

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                      RemindMe! 10 years

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                      • L [email protected]

                        For projects, it slows progress.

                        Your example of toxicity is linux maintainers resisting a newer programming language, not wanting to maintain additional bindings, and being stubborn about it?
                        People decide whether to work & agree with each other, so what's your definition of toxicity here?
                        How's moderation supposed to solve that: force people to agree & work together unwillingly?
                        Seems rather authoritarian.
                        People should only put words & images on a screen that someone approves?
                        More authoritarian.
                        And look at those imaginary problems we can solve!

                        This goes back to the grandiose conceit I wrote about earlier: some people can't get over themselves, take these words & images on a screen a bit too seriously, and feel they know better than others the right words & images to put on a screen, because of course they do.
                        The rest of us know it's just a bunch of self-important crap that doesn't matter unless we make it matter, and we can ignore it or put our own words & images on a screen or go outside.

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                        You streamed together a sequence of misunderstandings, fallacies and self-victimization into an incoherent pile of garbage that fails at actually responding to anything. Got it, got it, you're god's bravest warrior, resisting the authoritarianism of people who think others shouldn't be forced to tolerate your immaturity whenever you act like a cunt. I'll stop giving you attention now, so sorry.

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                        • R [email protected]

                          You make laws like the Online Safety Act in the UK. You then attach a multi-million dollar fine to anyone who doesn't adhere to the bonkers unenforceable stipulations in the text.

                          All of a sudden, no one but a corporation with a legal department can safely run an instance without putting their money and eventually freedom on the line.

                          They might not be able to just stop it, but you can force us into a pirate scenario where we have to do it in the dark.

                          We are likely starting to slowly head into 1984 territory. IF Fascim continues to rise, eventually, non-state-run media will be deemed unlawful and they'll do what they can to make it go away.

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                          This is why fedi needs to support federation over tor

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                          • M [email protected]

                            You streamed together a sequence of misunderstandings, fallacies and self-victimization into an incoherent pile of garbage that fails at actually responding to anything. Got it, got it, you're god's bravest warrior, resisting the authoritarianism of people who think others shouldn't be forced to tolerate your immaturity whenever you act like a cunt. I'll stop giving you attention now, so sorry.

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                            Victimization is all on those like you threatened by naughty words & images who claim we need some great moderator hero to defend us against their toxicity, which apparently includes work-related disagreements.

                            people who think others shouldn’t be forced to tolerate your immaturity whenever you act like a cunt

                            And they'll be objective about it, or is anything someone disagrees with instance of immaturity & someone acting like a cunt?
                            Do we need the noble internet police to swoop in and protect us against your words & images?

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                              This is why fedi needs to support federation over tor

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                              When they get serious about encryption they will make tor illegal as well.

                              Tor will not hide you from the feds once they decide they really want to go after encryption. They can either own enough endpoints to find you directly or simply go and shut down all the endpoints. Or, If they have other IP leaks that are unpublished...

                              On the upside they are firing most of the competent people in government so there's a chance the CIA can't do that anymore

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                              • Q [email protected]

                                Here's the same video on PeerTube

                                https://tilvids.com/w/rq6WfwnQTiHfpoWhURLNBS

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                                  Victimization is all on those like you threatened by naughty words & images who claim we need some great moderator hero to defend us against their toxicity, which apparently includes work-related disagreements.

                                  people who think others shouldn’t be forced to tolerate your immaturity whenever you act like a cunt

                                  And they'll be objective about it, or is anything someone disagrees with instance of immaturity & someone acting like a cunt?
                                  Do we need the noble internet police to swoop in and protect us against your words & images?

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                                  didn't read, easy block, shoulda done this sooner.

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                                  • sunshine@lemmy.caS [email protected]

                                    He has the most posts and comments on the Lemmy activity scoreboard.

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                                    Mother of God, I did not realize that he's pushing 70k comments.

                                    Btw are you just joking or isn't there actually a tool that checks Lemmy profiles and gives a neat little scorecard with some stats? I remember reading a thread where someone linked it but that was a while ago.

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                                    • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksI [email protected]

                                      Mother of God, I did not realize that he's pushing 70k comments.

                                      Btw are you just joking or isn't there actually a tool that checks Lemmy profiles and gives a neat little scorecard with some stats? I remember reading a thread where someone linked it but that was a while ago.

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                                      The ios app Mlem shows a scoreboard of users in the search tab. Also Thunder has a monthly contribution stats on user profiles.

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                                      • R [email protected]

                                        When they get serious about encryption they will make tor illegal as well.

                                        Tor will not hide you from the feds once they decide they really want to go after encryption. They can either own enough endpoints to find you directly or simply go and shut down all the endpoints. Or, If they have other IP leaks that are unpublished...

                                        On the upside they are firing most of the competent people in government so there's a chance the CIA can't do that anymore

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                                        If china has failed to stop tor I doubt the us can do much better

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                                        • muntedcrocodile@lemm.eeM [email protected]

                                          If china has failed to stop tor I doubt the us can do much better

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                                          Blocking tor at the firewall level isn't difficult. Anything with packet capture can do it.

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