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The US is now the enemy of the west

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  • F [email protected]

    How do you explain this to the slaves in USA?

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    The who?

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    • obi@sopuli.xyzO [email protected]

      Despite all the noise around this, I find it strange how little we seem to be taking this seriously, like they're the ramblings of a confused old man rather than threats made by the president of the United States...

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      Same feeling 8 years ago, honestly.

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      • A [email protected]

        No need for whataboutism when discussing the imperial tendencies and supremacy in the west.

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        not a whataboutism

        imagine if we named the West, the guys with guns. The other guys have guns too so it's not a great name. That's not a whataboutism lol

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        • match@pawb.socialM [email protected]

          Japan's the third largest country in the world and they aligned themselves with the West in the Meiji restoration. they sought imperial conquest of their neighbors in the 1900s. what more do you want for them to be the West

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          Not willingly. This is a core tenet of meoliberalism.

          Japan has blurred porn because of the US. Any laws Japan has made that US citizens have to follow? Nope. How many Japanese military bases exist in America. 0.

          They do not have an equal seat at the table.

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          • cygnus@lemmy.caC [email protected]

            They have has as much of a seat as warrants their size and economic power, perhaps even more because of their location as a buffer against China. Most EU countries have pull only because they are part of the EU. Compare Spain and Japan on the world stage, for example.

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            I understand what you're saying but how many Japanese military bases exist on US soil?

            It's not an equal seat

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            • doom@ttrpg.networkD [email protected]

              I understand what you're saying but how many Japanese military bases exist on US soil?

              It's not an equal seat

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              I don't think that's a reasonable metric. Germany and the UK wouldn't be considered influential either, and yet they are.

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              • M [email protected]

                The Free World

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                What is this, 2010?

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                • D [email protected]

                  The free world maybe?

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                  Because if ya ain't white, you can't be free!

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                  • obi@sopuli.xyzO [email protected]

                    Despite all the noise around this, I find it strange how little we seem to be taking this seriously, like they're the ramblings of a confused old man rather than threats made by the president of the United States...

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                    Canadian here, I feel the exact same way... like why is no one taking a firm stand against this guy!

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                    • F [email protected]

                      The who?

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                      Likely referring to the millions of people who are subjected to forced prison labor either without pay or for less than $1 an hour by for-profit prisons. This system has direct historical roots in the chattel slave economy, and even served as a direct drop-in replacement for chattel slaves on the very same plantations after the 13th amendment prohibited slavery except as punishment for a crime.

                      To this day the profit motive creates a perverse incentive for the owners of for-profit prisons to fight against efforts to reduce recidivism, since recidivism is good for their business. Our prison system serves not to rehabilitate, or even to punish, but rather to exploit the waiver of prisoners' rights that is enshrined in our constitution for profit.

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                        The Free World

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                        Ahh yeah, because people in China aren’t free, they’re all slaves. Same with Russia. And all of the Middle East.

                        Westerners just have for the lowest wages their companies will pay them because if they don’t they’ll become destitute. Certainly not coercive.

                        Hey yo, isn’t there a little exception in our “abolishing of slavery”? I wonder why we have such a large percentage of prisoners here in America, compared to the rest of the world.

                        Ever heard of prisoner leasing?

                        Free world my ass.

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                        • A [email protected]

                          Same feeling 8 years ago, honestly.

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                          Yeah, it's not new. Eventually, this shit has to become so pressing and obvious people realise history isn't over, and history isn't over here, but the normalcy bias has proven strong beyond belief.

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                          • 1984@lemmy.today1 [email protected]

                            Kingdom of the billionaires.

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                            They actually own a pretty small fraction of the total stuff.

                            I mean, obviously it's grotesquely large proportionately, but they amount to <2000 individuals in a region of well over a billion.

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                            • C [email protected]

                              Ahh yeah, because people in China aren’t free, they’re all slaves. Same with Russia. And all of the Middle East.

                              Westerners just have for the lowest wages their companies will pay them because if they don’t they’ll become destitute. Certainly not coercive.

                              Hey yo, isn’t there a little exception in our “abolishing of slavery”? I wonder why we have such a large percentage of prisoners here in America, compared to the rest of the world.

                              Ever heard of prisoner leasing?

                              Free world my ass.

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                              There's stops between free and enslaved. Seeing as we're talking about kicking the US out, I think I'll stand by it being freer.

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                              • F [email protected]

                                How do you explain this to the slaves in USA?

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                                "The US is an enemy of the free world, just look at this Lemmy thread!" (that we're currently in)

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                                • C [email protected]

                                  They actually own a pretty small fraction of the total stuff.

                                  I mean, obviously it's grotesquely large proportionately, but they amount to <2000 individuals in a region of well over a billion.

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                                  Sure but they have all the power to influence what happens.

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                                  • C [email protected]

                                    Ahh yeah, because people in China aren’t free, they’re all slaves. Same with Russia. And all of the Middle East.

                                    Westerners just have for the lowest wages their companies will pay them because if they don’t they’ll become destitute. Certainly not coercive.

                                    Hey yo, isn’t there a little exception in our “abolishing of slavery”? I wonder why we have such a large percentage of prisoners here in America, compared to the rest of the world.

                                    Ever heard of prisoner leasing?

                                    Free world my ass.

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                                    Go ahead, visit China and talk to anyone you see about how much you don't like Xi Jinping, maybe even compare him with Winnie the Pooh.
                                    Especially helpful if you do that to government officials.

                                    Then, if you still can, visit Russia and go around telling people you are gay and that the war has to stop.

                                    But, yeah, the US is also slowly working it's way out of the list of free democratic countries, no question about that, I am lucky to live in Europe for that reason.

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                                      Because if ya ain't white, you can't be free!

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                                      https://lemmy.world/post/26195831

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                                      • obi@sopuli.xyzO [email protected]

                                        Despite all the noise around this, I find it strange how little we seem to be taking this seriously, like they're the ramblings of a confused old man rather than threats made by the president of the United States...

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                                        I mean... They're both. Which is even scarier.

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                                          https://lemmy.world/post/26195831

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                                          What's your point?

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