Why I recommend against Brave.
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You cannot support current administration and at the same time be pro freedom, privacy and even pro common sense. These things are mutually exclusive, unless you're lying or insanely stupid bot.
Very simple.
I guess that depends on what you mean by "support." You can support certain things the administration does while attacking others. I dislike most of what Trump has done, but I happen to like a few things Trump has done as well. It's totally rational to say what you do and don't like about a given administration. I voted for Biden, for example, and I was happy that he largely stayed out of my news feed and actually pulled us out of Afghanistan, but I'm not particularly happy about much of the rest of his presidency (still don't regret my vote though).
I don't know how far Eich's "support" goes, you'd have to ask him that. All I know is that he isn't a fan of same-sex marriage at the government level. Maybe he's a single issue voter, or maybe it's something else. I don't know, I haven't seen much about his political preferences.
My point is that we shouldn't jump down someone's throat and start assuming a whole host of things based on very limited evidence.
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I guess that depends on what you mean by "support." You can support certain things the administration does while attacking others. I dislike most of what Trump has done, but I happen to like a few things Trump has done as well. It's totally rational to say what you do and don't like about a given administration. I voted for Biden, for example, and I was happy that he largely stayed out of my news feed and actually pulled us out of Afghanistan, but I'm not particularly happy about much of the rest of his presidency (still don't regret my vote though).
I don't know how far Eich's "support" goes, you'd have to ask him that. All I know is that he isn't a fan of same-sex marriage at the government level. Maybe he's a single issue voter, or maybe it's something else. I don't know, I haven't seen much about his political preferences.
My point is that we shouldn't jump down someone's throat and start assuming a whole host of things based on very limited evidence.
The shit repubs are pulling, defending and double standarding is insane enough to not trust them as a whole for any rational person used to a functioning government.
Period.
You are doing the classic "hitler did some good things too" argument. Big picture doesn't give a fuck. Any single issue voter, rational person or a non-piece of treasonous shit would distance themselves from repubs and try again with a sane political party.
Anyone still not condemning republicans is untrustworthy and an enemy of democracy and freedom. Easy as -
The shit repubs are pulling, defending and double standarding is insane enough to not trust them as a whole for any rational person used to a functioning government.
Period.
You are doing the classic "hitler did some good things too" argument. Big picture doesn't give a fuck. Any single issue voter, rational person or a non-piece of treasonous shit would distance themselves from repubs and try again with a sane political party.
Anyone still not condemning republicans is untrustworthy and an enemy of democracy and freedom. Easy asYou are doing the classic “hitler did some good things too” argument
I'm really not. Hitler was a very different situation than Trump, and if you think they're directly comparable, you need to take a break from the internet.
Yeah Trump sucks, and he's dangerous (but mostly in an inept sort of way). I get it. But I think it's highly unlikely that he tries to take dictatorial control of the US in any meaningful capacity.
There are some reasonable Republicans who don't like the nonsense Trump is doing. In fact, I'd be surprised if most Republicans aren't a fan of him flagrantly ignoring the law. Don't lump them all into the same set of problems, that's just going to put roughly half of the US against you. Instead of that, you could find some common ground and get a significant number to be on your side. Why fan this stupid culture war nonsense more than necessary?
Call out bad policy, acknowledge good policy, and demand accountability for lawbreaking.
Brendan Eich isn't some secret Project 2025 mastermind, he's just a dude that thinks privacy on the web is important and thinks his company has an interesting approach to solving that problem. Yeah, he has at least one bad political view, but that doesn't mean everything he touches is automatically terrible.
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You are doing the classic “hitler did some good things too” argument
I'm really not. Hitler was a very different situation than Trump, and if you think they're directly comparable, you need to take a break from the internet.
Yeah Trump sucks, and he's dangerous (but mostly in an inept sort of way). I get it. But I think it's highly unlikely that he tries to take dictatorial control of the US in any meaningful capacity.
There are some reasonable Republicans who don't like the nonsense Trump is doing. In fact, I'd be surprised if most Republicans aren't a fan of him flagrantly ignoring the law. Don't lump them all into the same set of problems, that's just going to put roughly half of the US against you. Instead of that, you could find some common ground and get a significant number to be on your side. Why fan this stupid culture war nonsense more than necessary?
Call out bad policy, acknowledge good policy, and demand accountability for lawbreaking.
Brendan Eich isn't some secret Project 2025 mastermind, he's just a dude that thinks privacy on the web is important and thinks his company has an interesting approach to solving that problem. Yeah, he has at least one bad political view, but that doesn't mean everything he touches is automatically terrible.
If you can't see trump becoming a dictator after he has said he would multible times and after a failed fucking coup, everything you said is wrong and or malicious.
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If you can't see trump becoming a dictator after he has said he would multible times and after a failed fucking coup, everything you said is wrong and or malicious.
Thanks for outing yourself.If you can’t see trump becoming a dictator
He's like 80yo. He's not going to. There's a better chance that he has a heart attack.
And yeah, countries watch US politics closely, and they're very unhappy with Trump's stupid tariffs. His strategy seems to be to jack up tariffs to devalue the dollar a bit to make exports more attractive longer-term. He doesn't want to annex Canada (though Canadians won't hesitate to blow that up since there's an election coming up next month), he doesn't want to annex Greenland (but he probably wants some land for bases), and he doesn't want much to do with anything south of the border. He wants to create lots of blue-collar jobs, because blue-collar workers for some reason have been shifting toward the Republican Party, and it's his job to make the Republican Party more attractive.
I think the whole strategy is dangerous and stupid from an economics standpoint, but I don't see it as fascist. It's certainly isolationist and nationalist though, but I see zero indication that he's interested in nationalizing anything. Maybe I'm wrong, but what I see is a lot of people who are mad because Trump doesn't listen to them, so they spout alarmist nonsense.
That said, what Musk is doing is absolutely dangerous on another level entirely. He's putting sensitive data into a format that could be fairly easily attacked by state actors. There's a good reason we have data separated, and it's not to intentionally make government ineffective, it's largely following the principle of least privilege, and Musk is demolishing that. It's incredibly dangerous, and I'm surprised he hasn't gotten more pushback on it.
You can believe what you want, of course, but my read is that Trump is pursuing stupid economic policy in a crazy attempt to be remembered long-term as the guy that "fixed" the US economy, not trying to become a dictator. He wants to be remembered.
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Brave has great anti-fingerprinting measures I just wish I could get that without installing crypto malware on my pc
All the crypto stuff is opt-in.
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Literally bigots, Russian trolls are defending it like they are on Reddit.
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Brave has great anti-fingerprinting measures I just wish I could get that without installing crypto malware on my pc
Mullvad Browser comes with fingerprint blocking mechanisms of Tor Browser, without connecting to tor. I recommend it.
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I'm not trying to win any argument, I'm trying to have a discussion. It seems to me that you're not interested in that, so I'll leave some links to relevant logical fallacies in a hope that someone going this far down the thread will make up their own mind using reason instead of emotion.
- Poisoning the Well - i.e. Eich's products must be bad because they believe something bad, or something like that
- Association Fallacy - Eich believes something bad, therefore his corporation and products must be bad
- Argumentum_ad_populum (bandwagoning)
The link in the post above me is also great, I highly recommend reading it, especially the following from the person who wrote about it:
Popper underlines the importance of rational argument, drawing attention to the fact that many intolerant philosophies reject rational argument and thus prevent calls for tolerance from being received on equal terms.
To be clear, I am not arguing that Eich's intolerant beliefs be tolerated, I'm arguing that they're irrelevant to the discussion about Brave browser (i.e. the Association Fallacy). By all means, protest against intolerance, be loud, and above all, completely discredit it through rational argument, and I'll join you in that. But don't become the thing you claim to hate by refusing rational argument. Articulate why his personal actions matter at all to the products his company makes, and why those can't be evaluated on their own merits.
It's not an association fallacy or poisoning the well if those things are actually being done, which has already been covered in the previous comments. Goggles is another current example of that.
You can go on and have your last word now, I'm done with your bad faith argument. I think there's enough evidence in this comment thread by now for others to see you're being disingenuous.
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There's always Ungoogled Chromium. If you do want to suggest Brave to people, please tell them about these downsides as well.
Ofc I will try my best to tell people about up/down side of a product. When it come to ungoogled chromium do they still support manifest v2? If yes then it will be also a great choice for desktop.
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I present: The intellectual prowess of bigots.
Yes, because using a web browser is bigotry
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Am I misunderstanding something? That's what I would expect to see from any search engine when you search for "vaccines" and "news from the right".
Yes, the feature is working exactly as intended, and therein lies the problem.
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Weird, youtube with ublock origin is all I need to enjoy no ads. Are you using some additional scripts that modify youtube in some way?
I dont really have problems with YT in Firefox. Just use brave because it’s on my “watching stuff” monitor. Brave did seem to work better during that period where they were being more aggressive about ad blockers but I haven’t seen that for a while.
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At this point there is a pretty solid list of reasons to avoid Brave and use another FOSS privacy focused option.
Personally, everything I've read about Brave makes me trust them even less than Microsoft, and Google.
That is the usual effect sensationalism has, but feel free to choose what best suits your needs.
I do enjoy Cromite, Librewolf, Mullvad Browser, Tor Browser and some others, but I can't deny each (as any) has it's own set of drawbacks. Better to have them in mind when setting up and using those browsers than to panic and run in circles searching for a perfect solution that doesn't exist.
Even more importantly I'd celebrate that people are using any privacy focused FOSS, even if it's not what I'd ideally use. If they feel motivated to keep on that road they'll end learning to use more advanced options in time.
On the other hand, make them feel insecure about their options and bloat their minds with sensationalist posts and they'll just use Google Chrome and Microsoft Edge because, "personally", why bother when everyone and everything is so evil and complicated and we're all doomed anyway?
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If you are keen on personal privacy, you might have come across Brave Browser. Brave is a Chromium-based browser that promises to deliver privacy with built-in ad-blocking and content-blocking protection. It also offers several quality-of-life features and services, like a VPN and Tor access. I mean, it's even listed on the reputable PrivacyTools website. Why am I telling you to steer clear of this browser, then?
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Why is everyone downvoting this? I haven't used Brave as a daily driver for 3 years since I've been with LibreWolf, but my impression has always been the same, that it's far better than stock Firefox, purely based on privacy (completely ignoring any ethical reasoning for not wanting to support Brave). Chrome and Edge being worse is obvious.
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Yes, the feature is working exactly as intended, and therein lies the problem.
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That thread is several months old
And? You have new evidence that things have improved?
and is specifically about integrating Arkenfox settings changes
Why does that matter?
Collaborating with Arkenfox on default settings was nice, but wasn't fundamental to the goals of the project. You can look at their Codeberg to see that the latest activity was a few days ago, and there have been several releases since the date of the thread you linked.
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Literally bigots, Russian trolls are defending it like they are on Reddit.
