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Why I recommend against Brave.

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  • K [email protected]

    Those are good reasons to ditch a product. Yet, at the same time, inside the Apple ecosystem this is the only browser that allows cross platform watching of yt without any ads, therefore suffocating Google and the fat cat MKBHD influencers from income.

    So it’s like an evil to tame another evil to me atm.

    Of course the best path forward would be to ditch both Brave and yt and then just get Nebula/patreon or something for serious content browsing.

    I’m curious though: if I just use Brace only with a few yt tabs open and never open the new empty tab or visit another site, does Brave get any revenue from me?

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    inside the Apple ecosystem this is the only browser that allows cross platform watching of yt without any ads

    Not true. You can block ads with an extension in Safari.

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      If you want to block youtube ads, I think it is really the only option as of now. Adguard can be downloaded on the app store and it does a mediocre job blocking ads, but the placeholder space for them remains and it straight up fails to block some for me. I am stuck with brave for now until something better comes along.

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      Safari has Wipr which blocks YouTube ads

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        Brave has great anti-fingerprinting measures I just wish I could get that without installing crypto malware on my pc

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        Firefox has by default as well.

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        • viking@infosec.pubV [email protected]

          Use Firefox with the Canvas Blocker addon, works on Fennec as well (Android fork with Mozilla telemetry removed).

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          You only need uBlock basically, beware of other extensions. They're snake oil.

          https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/wiki/4.1-Extensions

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          • tea@programming.devT [email protected]

            If you are keen on personal privacy, you might have come across Brave Browser. Brave is a Chromium-based browser that promises to deliver privacy with built-in ad-blocking and content-blocking protection. It also offers several quality-of-life features and services, like a VPN and Tor access. I mean, it's even listed on the reputable PrivacyTools website. Why am I telling you to steer clear of this browser, then?

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            Those reasons are all pretty goofy in my book. I use Brave on a daily basis on all my PCs. Only browser out there that offers both good privacy and actual usability. Plus, the first issue in the article is literally a nonissue for me and I actually personally really like the leadership at the company.

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            • jakobfel@retrolemmy.comJ [email protected]

              Those reasons are all pretty goofy in my book. I use Brave on a daily basis on all my PCs. Only browser out there that offers both good privacy and actual usability. Plus, the first issue in the article is literally a nonissue for me and I actually personally really like the leadership at the company.

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              I present: The intellectual prowess of bigots.

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                Brave search allows misinformation googles for anyone that believes 2 + 2 = 5.

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                That's crazy. Fuck them

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                • S [email protected]

                  I absolutely do boycott based on moral grounds. I've been boycotting Walmart for >10 years because of unfair competition actions (killing off small businesses), poor treatment of workers, and being a massive force for reducing worker treatment in other companies by forcing prices down. Likewise for Nestle and what they've done in Africa, I'm trying to eliminate Amazon for their warehouse policies, and I've been reducing or eliminating purchases from other companies as well along similar lines.

                  I draw the line at actual actions by companies though, and I don't really care what c-suite types do on their own time and with their own money. If I boycotted companies based on what their execs believe, I wouldn't be able to buy anything.

                  you would feel dehumanized as well,

                  Oh absolutely, but I would funnel that anger at the people who supported and passed it, not at the companies those people work for or the products those companies produce.

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                  It’s one thing to differentiate between a company and the staff who work for it. But I think you have to be pretty thick to gleefully patronize a company whose founder and CEO you detest. If you want to compartmentalize to such an extreme, that’s your business, but don’t argue it to me as if it makes any objective sense to ignore who you are enriching by your purchasing power.

                  Companies are like Soylent green, after all: they’re made of people.

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                    It’s one thing to differentiate between a company and the staff who work for it. But I think you have to be pretty thick to gleefully patronize a company whose founder and CEO you detest. If you want to compartmentalize to such an extreme, that’s your business, but don’t argue it to me as if it makes any objective sense to ignore who you are enriching by your purchasing power.

                    Companies are like Soylent green, after all: they’re made of people.

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                    The CEO isn't the company, they're just the ones at the helm. The CEO's personal opinions don't really impact my decision of whether to patronize their store, provided they keep their personal opinions out of the business. If a CEO aligns with me but their products suck, cool, but I'll avoid the store. If a CEO is opposite to me and their products rock, I'll probably buy from them. If a company abuses its employees or actively tries to interfere w/ democracy (more than their competitors), then I'll avoid their products. I think it's important to send the right message to the right person/group.

                    I disagree with Brendan Eich, but he seems to keep his personal politics out of his business. I can dislike him while being okay with his business, and I don't think that's an insane thing to do at all.

                    who you are enriching

                    At the end of the day, a ton of distasteful people get wealthy regardless of what I do. It's also true that they get a very small percentage of the money a company takes in, it just so happens that a small piece of a very large pie is still a ton of money.

                    At the end of the day, it's absolutely a personal choice which products and organizations to support. I personally see more value in supporting ideas (e.g. privacy) than tearing things down just because an unsavory character is affiliated with it. In other words, I prefer to avoid throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

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                      designed by people who see no problems with...

                      Do you have a source for those beliefs, or are you just assuming that someone vaguely supporting Trump has that perspective?

                      I honestly don't care what the devs believe, as long as they don't intentionally put in vulnerabilities.

                      this is not the software I want to entrust literally all data of all my finances and important personal details on.

                      Same, which is why I use and recommend Firefox and derivatives.

                      My point is that if your requirement is a chromium-hard based browser, you can do a lot worse than Brave.

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                      You cannot support current administration and at the same time be pro freedom, privacy and even pro common sense. These things are mutually exclusive, unless you're lying or insanely stupid bot.

                      Very simple.

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                        I'm mining bat.

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                        To someone non technical you sound like you are introducing yourself like a DC villain.

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                          I present: The intellectual prowess of bigots.

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                          It's sort of ridiculous at this point the lengths they're willing to go.

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                            This week I'm going to try out ungoogled Chromium and Vivaldi. I know Vivaldi is partially closed source, but I'm not actually in the camp that thinks all closed source is bad.

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                            I use Vivaldi and it is great. It does send a "user count" to its servers but AFAIK that is literally just increasing a number in a database, effectively the equivalent of one of those free hit counters you'd put on your GeoCities page.

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                            • kiuyn@lemmy.mlK [email protected]

                              I know that I am overly paranoid but they do the weird user ID thing. It it opt in ask they said in their privacy policy.

                              When you install Vivaldi browser (“Vivaldi”), each installation profile is assigned a unique user ID that is stored on your device. Vivaldi will send a message using HTTPS directly to our servers located in Iceland every 24 hours containing this ID, version, cpu architecture, screen resolution and time since last message. 
                              
                              We anonymize the IP address of Vivaldi users by removing the last octet of the IP address from your Vivaldi client then we store the resolved approximate location after using a local geoip lookup
                              

                              At least to my knowledge brave do not do anything like this.

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                              There's always Ungoogled Chromium. If you do want to suggest Brave to people, please tell them about these downsides as well.

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                                If you are keen on personal privacy, you might have come across Brave Browser. Brave is a Chromium-based browser that promises to deliver privacy with built-in ad-blocking and content-blocking protection. It also offers several quality-of-life features and services, like a VPN and Tor access. I mean, it's even listed on the reputable PrivacyTools website. Why am I telling you to steer clear of this browser, then?

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                                We need to get some moderators in here. Lots of bigotry in this comment section…

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                                  You cannot support current administration and at the same time be pro freedom, privacy and even pro common sense. These things are mutually exclusive, unless you're lying or insanely stupid bot.

                                  Very simple.

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                                  I guess that depends on what you mean by "support." You can support certain things the administration does while attacking others. I dislike most of what Trump has done, but I happen to like a few things Trump has done as well. It's totally rational to say what you do and don't like about a given administration. I voted for Biden, for example, and I was happy that he largely stayed out of my news feed and actually pulled us out of Afghanistan, but I'm not particularly happy about much of the rest of his presidency (still don't regret my vote though).

                                  I don't know how far Eich's "support" goes, you'd have to ask him that. All I know is that he isn't a fan of same-sex marriage at the government level. Maybe he's a single issue voter, or maybe it's something else. I don't know, I haven't seen much about his political preferences.

                                  My point is that we shouldn't jump down someone's throat and start assuming a whole host of things based on very limited evidence.

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                                    I guess that depends on what you mean by "support." You can support certain things the administration does while attacking others. I dislike most of what Trump has done, but I happen to like a few things Trump has done as well. It's totally rational to say what you do and don't like about a given administration. I voted for Biden, for example, and I was happy that he largely stayed out of my news feed and actually pulled us out of Afghanistan, but I'm not particularly happy about much of the rest of his presidency (still don't regret my vote though).

                                    I don't know how far Eich's "support" goes, you'd have to ask him that. All I know is that he isn't a fan of same-sex marriage at the government level. Maybe he's a single issue voter, or maybe it's something else. I don't know, I haven't seen much about his political preferences.

                                    My point is that we shouldn't jump down someone's throat and start assuming a whole host of things based on very limited evidence.

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                                    The shit repubs are pulling, defending and double standarding is insane enough to not trust them as a whole for any rational person used to a functioning government.
                                    Period.
                                    You are doing the classic "hitler did some good things too" argument. Big picture doesn't give a fuck. Any single issue voter, rational person or a non-piece of treasonous shit would distance themselves from repubs and try again with a sane political party.
                                    Anyone still not condemning republicans is untrustworthy and an enemy of democracy and freedom. Easy as

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                                      The shit repubs are pulling, defending and double standarding is insane enough to not trust them as a whole for any rational person used to a functioning government.
                                      Period.
                                      You are doing the classic "hitler did some good things too" argument. Big picture doesn't give a fuck. Any single issue voter, rational person or a non-piece of treasonous shit would distance themselves from repubs and try again with a sane political party.
                                      Anyone still not condemning republicans is untrustworthy and an enemy of democracy and freedom. Easy as

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                                      You are doing the classic “hitler did some good things too” argument

                                      I'm really not. Hitler was a very different situation than Trump, and if you think they're directly comparable, you need to take a break from the internet.

                                      Yeah Trump sucks, and he's dangerous (but mostly in an inept sort of way). I get it. But I think it's highly unlikely that he tries to take dictatorial control of the US in any meaningful capacity.

                                      There are some reasonable Republicans who don't like the nonsense Trump is doing. In fact, I'd be surprised if most Republicans aren't a fan of him flagrantly ignoring the law. Don't lump them all into the same set of problems, that's just going to put roughly half of the US against you. Instead of that, you could find some common ground and get a significant number to be on your side. Why fan this stupid culture war nonsense more than necessary?

                                      Call out bad policy, acknowledge good policy, and demand accountability for lawbreaking.

                                      Brendan Eich isn't some secret Project 2025 mastermind, he's just a dude that thinks privacy on the web is important and thinks his company has an interesting approach to solving that problem. Yeah, he has at least one bad political view, but that doesn't mean everything he touches is automatically terrible.

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                                        Librewolf users (totally not biased)

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                                        always gotta be that one person who posts the ai-generated sludge

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                                          You are doing the classic “hitler did some good things too” argument

                                          I'm really not. Hitler was a very different situation than Trump, and if you think they're directly comparable, you need to take a break from the internet.

                                          Yeah Trump sucks, and he's dangerous (but mostly in an inept sort of way). I get it. But I think it's highly unlikely that he tries to take dictatorial control of the US in any meaningful capacity.

                                          There are some reasonable Republicans who don't like the nonsense Trump is doing. In fact, I'd be surprised if most Republicans aren't a fan of him flagrantly ignoring the law. Don't lump them all into the same set of problems, that's just going to put roughly half of the US against you. Instead of that, you could find some common ground and get a significant number to be on your side. Why fan this stupid culture war nonsense more than necessary?

                                          Call out bad policy, acknowledge good policy, and demand accountability for lawbreaking.

                                          Brendan Eich isn't some secret Project 2025 mastermind, he's just a dude that thinks privacy on the web is important and thinks his company has an interesting approach to solving that problem. Yeah, he has at least one bad political view, but that doesn't mean everything he touches is automatically terrible.

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                                          If you can't see trump becoming a dictator after he has said he would multible times and after a failed fucking coup, everything you said is wrong and or malicious.
                                          Thanks for outing yourself.

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