Young US men are joining Russian churches promising 'absurd levels of manliness'
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I didn't come here for MORE toxic masculinity and gender shaming. Sort your shit out.
Why does random lemmy user care what you came here for?
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You got all mad for people posting no real solution and when given the chance, offered no real solution
I literally gave the solution in the comment you replied to
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I literally gave the solution in the comment you replied to
I'm sure you think you did
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Oh yeah we got problems on the girl's side bit at least women aren't afraid soybeans is gonna take away their masculinity
The most dangerous beans.
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I literally gave the solution in the comment you replied to
But how can I deplatform the demagogues? It seems impossible. What you proposed sounds nearly as unattainable as the snarky "Suddenly make every parent in the US loving, compassionate, and effective at raising their children".
I'm not in charge of the demagogues platforms. The platforms have no need to respond to social protests since the demagogues make them money. The majority of moderate people will not ever care enough to stop using a platform that supports evil. Tons of people still use facebook even when they KNOW about all those scandals, because they feel like it's just not a big problem, and ultimately because they just like using facebook.
Your proposed solution just feels a lot like the how to draw an owl meme.
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this is a nice way to look at it - but feminism isn't just a vague ideology, it's also a social movement that is designed for women and populated by women. men are at best allies in that space, and at worst viewed as the enemy, othered, and excluded.
i'll gladly id as a feminist ideologically but i'm not foolish enough to think i'd be welcomed with open arms at a feminist rally. tolerated? sure. but not part of the group.
I don't think you're correct, and I've felt welcomed around feminists (though I've never been in explicit feminist spaces). Even if you are though, it doesn't detract from my point. The goals of feminism help men too. If followed to completion, it removes gender roles from being strictly necessary. It allows people to be what they want.
Feminism is part of a larger movement, hence intersectional feminism. Even that though is part of a larger movement of liberalizing society to accept all people for who they are. Yes, there are also some groups who use feminism to exclude other people (TERFs, for example), but usually if people agree women should be allowed in roles normally reserved for men then gender norms aren't real and are necessarily oppressive, for everyone.
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So, all these "manly" men need a fluffer to make them more "manly"?
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I don't think you're correct, and I've felt welcomed around feminists (though I've never been in explicit feminist spaces). Even if you are though, it doesn't detract from my point. The goals of feminism help men too. If followed to completion, it removes gender roles from being strictly necessary. It allows people to be what they want.
Feminism is part of a larger movement, hence intersectional feminism. Even that though is part of a larger movement of liberalizing society to accept all people for who they are. Yes, there are also some groups who use feminism to exclude other people (TERFs, for example), but usually if people agree women should be allowed in roles normally reserved for men then gender norms aren't real and are necessarily oppressive, for everyone.
nothing that you've said here contradicts my point and you're demonstrating a profound misunderstanding of intersectionalism.
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I, for one, would like to congratulate whoever conceived this psy-op to get conservatives to move from Texas to Russia. Inspired stuff.
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I don't know if I like soup. The only soup I ever had was cambells, and it was awful. But then everybody tells me that cambells is the bottom of the barrel scum of the soup world.
So maybe I just don't like cambells.
Hey, you're like me. I HATED soup for decades. Can soup BS was disgusting. Soup on the side of my burger, gross.
Then I went to a real soup place. Like all they did was soup. Like professional level soup that's $8 a cup or $12 a bowl.
My god - it was incredible. I now understand the Soup Nazi bit of why anybody would tolerate that behavior.
I went from clean shaven anti-souper to a god damn soup coke fiend.
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Says the man in the nun outfit
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Ivan bros?
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Says the man in the nun outfit
Can't judge by that - Rasputin wore the same outfit and he was a legendary horndog.
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This wispy-bearded Texan is in the vanguard of a movement urging conservatives to relocate to Russia. Last August, Putin introduced fast-track shared values visa for those fleeing Western liberalism.
Oh no ... don't do that. Us lefties would hate if all our manly men left us to deal with these Haitians eating our dogs alone. That would trigger and own us so much.
Imagine being deranged enough to actually take that deal, damn
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Pro tip: if you're worried about your manliness you should go to therapy not to church.
Church is (almost) free therapy though, problem is that some church leaders want to use believers for their own benefit
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The answer is violence and guns.
I have no counter argument to this
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I hope they are all dumb enough to move there for it.
Don't dump your toxic waste there, they will just end on the battlefield being a headache for ukrainians. But if you do, the US could make that up with loads of depleted uranium rounds for ukraine - that doubles the amount of waste you can get rid of, and since the russians increasingly send their troops out with old ladas instead of tanks and body armor, the DU ammo is more useful.
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nothing that you've said here contradicts my point and you're demonstrating a profound misunderstanding of intersectionalism.
I agree with you. I see that what feminism fights for is good for men too, and lots of the "rank-and-file" of feminism has no issues with men, but if i would ask at a meeting what we could do for men so that they can get out of the patriarchate and feel safe, i'm pretty sure that i would get a lot of blank stares and then an earful.
There are not many groups which work on what a male-centric approach to get rid of the patriarchate might even look like, or what men would need in a system that has gotten rid of the patriarchate so that an equilibrium can be reached (and not patriarchate 2: electric feminism).
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Says the man in the nun outfit
Can you really say you're the manliest men if you're not comfortable wearing women's clothing?
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I know at least few Russian-speaking people where I live (Kraków) who tried to convert me to their church. One Uber (or Bolt idk) driver, when I told him that I am interested in practicing Russian and Ukrainian wanted me to come to some church to read a Bible or something, and other time one friend of mine wanted me to come to (I think) Orthodox church to meet some women or something like that.
I think I make an error, when I tell people I am agnostic, it's like a sign for other people to try convert me, and I don't really want to argue with them.
