Remember, some different-than-them folks looking for fundamental rights and common decency was all it took to get 70 million people angry enough to vote in a dictator
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This is a dumb narrative that leads to petty bickering while we are currently living under literal fascism. The reason they elected a fascist is because they desire change from the status quo. Pronouns are not a positive change for most people. So of course they will pick a fascist over that platform, if that's all it has to offer. The left has to get real, and I mean realpolitik. We have real solutions to offer these people. That's what the message should focus on. Inclusion is a given with leftism. DEI is corporate virtue signaling.
I don't support fascism buuut
Thanks for proving the point of the meme.
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I don't support fascism buuut
Thanks for proving the point of the meme.
I don’t support fascism but we need a real plan to defeat it.
Thanks for not paraphrasing the whole post so you could make yourself seem sooooo virtuous and good by comparison. You failed miserably but you sure did try!
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Last I checked, most people who voted for trump voted for him because they actually thought he would fix the economy. Only a fringe cares about identity politics.
While I personally believe people who voted for trump were naive at best, it is very disingenuous to pretend like they all voted for him because they hate trans people. Most normal people don't give a fuck about that shit. They just want to live and considering how chaotic the election was for the democrats, it makes sense that more people put their trust in the candidate who was there from the start.
It's a very boring answer, and it is not really an excuse for the current state of the US, but reality is often a lot duller than whatever narrative we like to cook up in our little heads after spending too much time on Twitter.
Your first paragraph is patently untrue the entire right wing media ecosystem is nothing but identity politics grievances and culture war bs
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This is a dumb narrative that leads to petty bickering while we are currently living under literal fascism. The reason they elected a fascist is because they desire change from the status quo. Pronouns are not a positive change for most people. So of course they will pick a fascist over that platform, if that's all it has to offer. The left has to get real, and I mean realpolitik. We have real solutions to offer these people. That's what the message should focus on. Inclusion is a given with leftism. DEI is corporate virtue signaling.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]there was plenty of things besides pronouns that dems had to offer. like boosting new homeowners and offering incentives to new families having babies. racism and misogyny overruled it though. "i'm gonna ban all muslims and mexican are rapists!" won out.
America is looking at the proverbial mirror and realizing its full of racist, morons and people who think women can't lead; and no amount of 'well Kamala and Clinton didn't get me excited and offer me anything' will excuse that.
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Can't prove a negative, but it's not like US policy towards Iran (or Israel) changes much from admin to admin. Here's Kamala right before the election saber rattling: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/08/harris-iran-greatest-adversary-trump-election.html
“What we need to do to ensure that Iran never achieves the ability to be a nuclear power, that is one of my highest priorities,” she added.
This is crazy... the illusion of choice? Nah we'd at least have better protections on domestic rights if she won
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in what world do you think she would have?
“What we need to do to ensure that Iran never achieves the ability to be a nuclear power, that is one of my highest priorities,” she added.
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Russia invading Ukraine. Israel attacking Iran. India attacking Pakistan. Nazi America threatening to annex Greenland.
Sure buddy, it's 'just' America involved here.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]All of those have been going on for, what, decades? Greenland is the only new one on the list. In no way is this a world war. Unless WW3 started in 2014?
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Harris also loves Israel and hates Iran and seemed pretty warhawkish during her campaign
Edit: if you disagree PLEASE just downvote and don't reply, I'm TREMBLING in fear of your possible replies
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Last I checked, most people who voted for trump voted for him because they actually thought he would fix the economy. Only a fringe cares about identity politics.
While I personally believe people who voted for trump were naive at best, it is very disingenuous to pretend like they all voted for him because they hate trans people. Most normal people don't give a fuck about that shit. They just want to live and considering how chaotic the election was for the democrats, it makes sense that more people put their trust in the candidate who was there from the start.
It's a very boring answer, and it is not really an excuse for the current state of the US, but reality is often a lot duller than whatever narrative we like to cook up in our little heads after spending too much time on Twitter.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Not my fault you haven't been paying attention. Eggs were the excuse du jour at vote time. I've experienced or witnessed right wing bigotry of various sorts (not only homophobia and transphobia) for forty-five fucking years. (And I'm subtracting the years when I was too young and dumb to see it for what it was.)
It's bigotry all the way down, and no one under the age of seventy can remember a time when the Republican party stood for anything else, no matter what they claim. Look at their policies. It's all just how they are dressing it up this decade.
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This is such a counterproductive take. It ignores why Harris actually lost (like Biden running again and refusing to step down until the end), while also implying that the Democrats didn't do anything wrong whatsoever and the fault lies with the electorate. If that's the takeaway for the DNC from this past election then we're cooked.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]70 million people looked at maga bigotry of various sorts and found it not to be a dealbreaker. Fact. They either hoped or knew Trump would hurt other people not like them, so they gave him a pass. (and that doesn't count what I believe to be the vast majority of Trump voters who were overtly
OK with it.)My intent in sharing here isn't to postmortem the election. It's a reminder of the 70 million shitty people we smile and shake hands with every day.
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This is a dumb narrative that leads to petty bickering while we are currently living under literal fascism. The reason they elected a fascist is because they desire change from the status quo. Pronouns are not a positive change for most people. So of course they will pick a fascist over that platform, if that's all it has to offer. The left has to get real, and I mean realpolitik. We have real solutions to offer these people. That's what the message should focus on. Inclusion is a given with leftism. DEI is corporate virtue signaling.
How is the status quo not the goal of conservatism? It's literally in the name.
Republican voters and non voters are absolutely against the changes they are seeing come from left-leaning or liberal populations. The status quo is literally to not change what already is.
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Not my fault you haven't been paying attention. Eggs were the excuse du jour at vote time. I've experienced or witnessed right wing bigotry of various sorts (not only homophobia and transphobia) for forty-five fucking years. (And I'm subtracting the years when I was too young and dumb to see it for what it was.)
It's bigotry all the way down, and no one under the age of seventy can remember a time when the Republican party stood for anything else, no matter what they claim. Look at their policies. It's all just how they are dressing it up this decade.
Sure, but not all the people who voted for trump were Republicans and it is too simplistic to say that they all voted for him because of hate towards minority groups. I'm not saying that no one voted for him because they hate x-group. Just that most people most likely voted for him because they thought he would fix the economy.
I don't think most people who voted for him expected that he was gonna go completely apeshit like he has. I sure didn't think he was gonna be this insane. And no I didn't vote for him and no I'm not American and no I can't just mind my own business because American politics is literally shoved down everybody's throat all over the world.
But I will say that acting like it was all about bigotry for every single person who voted for him is too simplistic a take, like many other people in this thread have also said.
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Your first paragraph is patently untrue the entire right wing media ecosystem is nothing but identity politics grievances and culture war bs
That logic only works if you believe that every person who voted for trump is a bleeding heart republican who hates diversity. Objectively, that wasn't the case.
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Sure, but not all the people who voted for trump were Republicans and it is too simplistic to say that they all voted for him because of hate towards minority groups. I'm not saying that no one voted for him because they hate x-group. Just that most people most likely voted for him because they thought he would fix the economy.
I don't think most people who voted for him expected that he was gonna go completely apeshit like he has. I sure didn't think he was gonna be this insane. And no I didn't vote for him and no I'm not American and no I can't just mind my own business because American politics is literally shoved down everybody's throat all over the world.
But I will say that acting like it was all about bigotry for every single person who voted for him is too simplistic a take, like many other people in this thread have also said.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Well, I can only go on the magas in my life. I have a lot of them, and they are all bigots, in addition to whatever other justification they claimed.
(Setting aside their ahem naivete at thinking he'd fix the economy.)
I don’t think most people who voted for him expected that he was gonna go completely apeshit like he has. I sure didn’t think he was gonna be this insane.
There's been a nonstop drumbeat of people including Trump himself telling everyone that he'd go EXACTLY this apeshit, so I don't know why.
Sure, but not all the people who voted for trump were Republicans
They all knew who Republicans were though.
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How is the status quo not the goal of conservatism? It's literally in the name.
Republican voters and non voters are absolutely against the changes they are seeing come from left-leaning or liberal populations. The status quo is literally to not change what already is.
Ever heard of doublespeak? Nothing in American politics means what it says on the tin. Just like how Dems are the "left." Modern right wing movement that supports Trump is populist.
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there was plenty of things besides pronouns that dems had to offer. like boosting new homeowners and offering incentives to new families having babies. racism and misogyny overruled it though. "i'm gonna ban all muslims and mexican are rapists!" won out.
America is looking at the proverbial mirror and realizing its full of racist, morons and people who think women can't lead; and no amount of 'well Kamala and Clinton didn't get me excited and offer me anything' will excuse that.
I have no idea what policies you're talking about in regards to homeownership and child incentives, and I'm extremely well read on politics. So yeah, 100% that the average American doesn't either.
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I don't support fascism buuut
Thanks for proving the point of the meme.
There was no but, buddy. I dare a motherfucka to ctrl+f
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Let’s be real: Yes, the Democrats ran a historically tone-deaf campaign. But Trump’s entire economic pitch boils down to ‘Just believe me, folks! The same empty promise he made before leaving office with record job losses, broken supply chains, and an economy in freefall. I get what your saying I just have trouble believing voters are this desperate to blame ‘wokeism’ that they’ll ignore:
- The $7.8 trillion he added to the debt?
- The 3 million jobs lost under his watch?
- The fact his ‘miracle economy’ was a sugar rush of tax cuts for billionaires?
It’s a death wish for the middle class.
You better believe it. Have you spoken to them? I speak to Trump voters every day. It's what he says that matter. They do not give a shit about what he does. The Dems don't speak or do anything about these things so can you blame them for choosing him despite all his lies? At least he talks about the issues.
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agree, the inclusion movement went too far into dictating how people should behave and cancelling people on the basis of any perceived offenses and that gave electoral leverage to the current president
The inclusion movement hasn't gone too far. It's been turned into a lightning rod for Dems to banter about and clutch their pearls over without actually offering any real solutions to the problems people face.
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I have no idea what policies you're talking about in regards to homeownership and child incentives, and I'm extremely well read on politics. So yeah, 100% that the average American doesn't either.
Kamala literally said this in her speeches. Maybe the average american is a dumb fuck I guess?
