Steam is cracking down on porn games, to keep Payment Processors happy.
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Wait a minute, PayPal is pulling puritanical bullshit again? Did they learn nothing from the last time they tried that?
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Steam should accept bitcoin or some other crypto as default for all titles and only use card for "safe" titles
Steam users are mostly tech savvy enough to do it
They had Bitcoin integration for quite a while. It was removed during a system change, probably because very few people used it
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This is why I've been buying games on GOG that I have on Steam.
Backups in case Gabe or a successor goes off the deep end
I don't have any fear that Gabe will tank steam.
But I will fear what happens after him
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It's not about porn, It's about corporations dictating what type of content can be sold. You may not care about porn but what if they were to start going after LGBT stuff or something like that?
That’s the entire point of this. They want to control everything in your life, including the pervy things that affect literally nobody. The entire point is to restrict happiness to things they control. Anything they don’t control is bad.
I think the porn games are stupid but they don’t harm people at all so there is no reason for them not to exist.
In other news, I have a similar form of financial censorship. For years, I have refused to accept or send money through PayPal and its sister products.
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First they came for the incestuous anime foot job simulators, and I did not speak out, because I was not that freakydeaky
Did you just rule 34 that “first they came for…” poem? Jesus Christ. Bravo, but still.
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Why shouldn't the payment processors get a say in the payments they process? Illegal or not, why should they be forced to process payments that facilitate things against their beliefs?
Steam could pursue other payment processing possibilities instead of acquiescing to their demands.
Because it’s not their fucking money! If someone is selling a thing, offers to sell it to me for money, and I give them money, I get the fucking thing! The processors can fuck right off with their Victorian bullshit.
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I wish that was the case. It's mostly just extreme right lobbying groups like Focus on the Family and the Alliance Defending Freedom, the same groups that control the far right, exert colonial control over impoverished African countries, and generally make the world a worse place for everyone. The same groups that manufactured cases to screw up Dobbs, Wedding cake lawsuits, and death penalty laws for LGBTQ citizens of Uganda.
We need to stop these Christians from oppressing us.
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Yes, Valve and Visa/MasterCard differ massively in their service. Valve operates a store within a specific industry, Visa/MasterCard process payments across our whole society.
It should be clear to anyone that payment providers must be held to a much stricter standard and have certain requirements of neutrality imposed on them. If not then in the best case you risk destroying the "free market" part of free market capitalism, worst case you're weakening democracy by letting unelected, unaccountable people decide what is and what isn't legal.
There's also no choice. Which payment processor and credit card do I choose so that I can buy any legal pornography I want? How do you even get a card that's not.visa or MasterCard for.l general use? I've only ever had one of those
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I wish that was the case. It's mostly just extreme right lobbying groups like Focus on the Family and the Alliance Defending Freedom, the same groups that control the far right, exert colonial control over impoverished African countries, and generally make the world a worse place for everyone. The same groups that manufactured cases to screw up Dobbs, Wedding cake lawsuits, and death penalty laws for LGBTQ citizens of Uganda.
Do you have proof of this? Capitalism doesn’t know any sort of morality or ideology other than that which allows it to extract the most value
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Good. That shit is vile.
Fuck off
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If the US used something like pix, MasterCard, visa, etc, wouldn't have any power to do this, but they want to make Brazil delete pix from existence. Interesting.
Edit: grammar
I wish I could use that as an American. I trust Brazil more than I trust America
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Payment processors should not be allowed to dictate what content they allow to be bought and what not. It's not their job to police people, let me live ffs
Agreed. If it's not illegal then it should be allowed.
Not that I approve of this type of content, but corporations should not be selectively enforcing their morals. -
I wouldn't really care if Steam decided to crack down on porn games, its their store. Payment processors being the ones to force Valve's hands simply doesn't sit right.
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Why shouldn't the payment processors get a say in the payments they process? Illegal or not, why should they be forced to process payments that facilitate things against their beliefs?
Steam could pursue other payment processing possibilities instead of acquiescing to their demands.
Why shouldn’t the payment processors get a say in the payments they process? Illegal or not, why should they be forced to process payments that facilitate things against their beliefs?
Because they hold an effective monopoly over the payment process.
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It's been like this for a while in the porn industry. In an interview a while back, Bree Mills says she gets more limited by payment processors than the government (though that might be switching).
Ever wonder why every faux-incest video goes out of the way to say everyone is a step family? Step father, step daughter, step mother, step brother, all somehow living in the same house, over 18, and no blood relation? The first amendment protects them from the US government, so that's not why. Credit card companies are why. The old Taboo series was distributed differently back in the day. Can't make that anymore.
This also applies to some of the more extreme BDSM stuff, like blood play or scat. Won't find them on kink.com.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Well in germany doing porn that implies incest or csam even if the actors are not related or over 18 can still get you jail time
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First they came for the incestuous porn
Then they came for the furries
Then they came for games with violence
Then...
Then...
Then...Nah they love violence. It keeps the gravy seals as hapless betas.
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They probably do wear diapers aswell.
you must be into beastility, if your projecting this much about it, .
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Steam could pursue other payment processing possibilities
Imagine you can't use visa or mastercard. What other fucking payment card acceptance system are you going to use for payment processing in under 30 seconds?
Why shouldn’t the payment processors get a say in the payments they process
Because it's none of their business what I buy. If a store is a reputable business that isn't defrauding me, and are a legal entity, then whatever they sell to me or I buy from them should only matter to me and the seller.
Illegal or not, why should they be forced to process payments that facilitate things against their beliefs?
So half the market can get nuked once the CEO decides whatever faith du jour they have disallows whatever?
Imagine you can't use visa or mastercard. What other fucking payment card acceptance system are you going to use for payment processing in under 30 seconds?
Amex. Discover. Diners Club. Venmo.
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It's porn. We can focus on more important things billionaires are ruining.
Sweet summer child. Porn is the reason we have VHS, porn is the reason we have the internet, porn was doing video streaming before Netflix and YouTube. Porn is one of the greatest motivating forces in this world.
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What if these payment processors have decided it's bad business for them to process payments for incest porn games?
On what grounds would doing so operationally impair the platform? Is it illegal? Does it prevent them from servicing other businesses in a timely fashion? Does it cost more money in a way that can't be reflected in the service fee structure?
Explain to me what reason they would have for objecting that isn't just a different way of phrasing "morality judgment" or "image management".Do you also think that a shipping company should be able to refuse to ship products from businesses they don't approve of, even if it's functionally identical to something else they would ship?
What about either of those companies refusing service to someone because of their sexual orientation or gender identity?People used to say it's bad business to service gays, blacks, Jews, Catholics, Hispanics and the Irish. At some point we decided that businesses need to shut the fuck up and just do business without judging, or else their service has no place in society.
The free market that businesses love so much exists entirely through the grace and in the service of society at large. If they fail to at least not harm society, why should society extend that courtesy to them?
