Need a keyboard with a dedicated "slop" button
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Without training I assume? (Which on top of that almost always violates liscenses)
Without training, but once you've trained one model then that model can be used by millions.
An equivalent comparison would be the resources used by millions learning Photoshop in order to use it in the first place.
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Yes, it’s totally okay starve millions of homes of water and jack up their utility bills to be able to summarize articles and write emails. (/s)
I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me
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Saying AI = LLMs is an severe oversimplification though. LLMs and image generators are subsets of AI that are currently most prominent and with which is most commonly knowingly being interacted with, but pretty much every formal definition is wider than that. Recommendation algorithms, as used on YouTube or social media, the smart (photo) search, are further examples of AI that people interact with. And fraud detection, learning spam filters, abnormality (failure) detection, traffic estimation are even more examples. All of these things are formally defined as AI and are very much commonplace, I would not call them niche.
The fact that LLMs and image generators are currently the most prominent examples does not necessarily exclude other examples from being part of the group too.
Using AI as a catch all phrase is simply a case of overgeneralization, in part due to the need of brevity. For some cases the difference does not matter, or is even beneficial. For example, 'don't train AI models on my art' would only marginally affect applications other than image generation and image analysis, and covers any potential future applications that may pop up.
However, statements 'ban AI' could be easily misconstrued, and may be interpreted in a much wider manner than what the original author may have intended. There will be people with a variety of definitions to what does or does not constitute AI, which will lead to miscommunication unless it is clear from context.
It probably wouldn't hurt clarifying things specifically and talking about the impact of a specific application, rather than discussing what is (or is not) to be classified as AI.
It's like you saw my response, and processed exactly none of it before you replied.
Did I say this is how it should be? No. I was describing the way it actually is. It's not me who is oversimplify, this is just the way it is used in pop culture. It doesn't matter at all how much you don't like that, because we cannot be prescriptive about actually irl usage of a word.
Am I personally aware of the difference? Yes. I work with LLMs every day as part of my job, both as a tool and as a product.
None of this, or what you wrote, changes that in common discourse, outside of niche communities, "AI" is synonymous with "LLM" and GPT content image generators, almost exclusively, unless other context is provided.
So when people see "AI" in common discourse, they're almost always right to assume it means LLMs and GPT content generators.
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i saw someone on masto mad about the new background removal thing added to kdenlive
i despise llms and image models for quite a number of reasons but just aaaaaaaaaaaaa
There definitely is a very real "AI derangement syndrome" kinda thing going around among some. It's like...we can be opposed to the use of AI to take away people's jobs while simultaneously dumbing down culture, without throwing out the ways it can actually be used by workers to improve their work output or the experience for them of doing the work. I'm not familiar with Kdenlive, but it sounds similar to Photoshop's generative fill, and that's a fantastic feature. Using AI to do a better version of what content-aware fill has done for over a decade. People who are opposed even to these uses need to pull their heads in, because they make it much harder to effectively oppose the real problems with AI.
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OP in this case would be the Tumblr user sexygaywizard who made the post in the image
Usually we'd use the term "OOP" to refer to the OP of the original post in this context. Helps make it clearer.
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Yeah, the church of anti-AI is loud, obnoxious, and obstinate.
I couldn't give a fuck less if you want to amuse yourself with scuffed images of anime girls with three tits and lobster claws. Knock yourself out.
But if you think people are going to sit politely while institutions inflict these bullshit techbro fidget spinners unto us at the cost of our humanity and the planet then you've lost the plot.
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Art can be made out of literally anything. Trash, pieces of fabric, some chalk on a sidewalk, spray cans, arrangement of random objects, sea shells, etc. People will still love to look at shitty sketches and cute chibis and eagerly repost that art. Your medium doesn't have to be just paper and pencil, nor just an expensive digital screen and a paid paint program, but even then digital can be free. Kritia, MS Paint, Sketchbook, IbisPaint, Fossify Paint, and many more are free and easy to download on Android. Procreate is cheap and loved by many. There are people doing this shit on their phone with their finger and a lot of determination.
None of these artists started out making masterpieces, they had to take the time to get to where they are and learn. Thousands of free tutorials are online, on both YT and other social media platforms, for any kind of art medium. Years of work and practicing every day. Even for those who are making masterpieces now, they take probably days or weeks to finish off a major project, they can't just pump that shit out.
If you can't draw or photoshop images well, that's fine, as not everyone is able to do that skill. I want to learn to draw, but I can recognize that I probably don't have to time right now in my life to do that, nor will I likely be able to reach the level I dream of, and I accept that. But the moment you decide to get mad at the people opposing AI art and using AI to Photoshop, or you yourself ever use AI to do such acts, then I will gladly call you a lazy bastard. You can't have your cake without the effort that others put in to do it, and if you're doing it for commercial purposes, you should be dragged through the streets.
Art is art because a human put their thoughts and feelings behind it. It causes discussion, whether good, bad, happy, angry, etc. AI art is only amazing on the surface, "wow, we have the tech to do this" and then it stops being amazing. Either way am artist/digital designer or don't make whatever it is you wanted. Using AI to make art is embarrassing.
While we're discussing what is and isn't art, I just want to also chime in and point out that art can also be literature, or music, or dance.
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So when this gets posted as a post it gets hundreds of upvotes but when I say the same thing as a lemmy comment I get hate?
Yes. Because one is posted as a joke, and one is an un-ironic "observation." I'll let you figure out which is which. Maybe go ask an AI if you have trouble figuring that one out.
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I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me
Because you wrote your reply like a criticism, but the content seem to agree with what I wroteIt was definitely in agreement. There are way better uses for our resources, people, and talent than on things like AI. That’s not to say that no one should have a tech job in AI, but the overwhelming push to expand and adopt it is insane.
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So when this gets posted as a post it gets hundreds of upvotes but when I say the same thing as a lemmy comment I get hate?
The comparison is bunk though.
The awareness of systemic oppression is not equivalent to a technology that produces text and images of dubious provenance.
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The comparison is bunk though.
The awareness of systemic oppression is not equivalent to a technology that produces text and images of dubious provenance.
But conservatives reacting to the word "pronouns" isn't at all about systemic oppression? It's about the immediate brain off that follows to instantly rant about "woke" or whatever, even if e.g. someone mentioned pronouns in a grammar context. It's a stupid reaction born from opposition to a perceived "woke mind virus" (or equivalent).
Similarly, some people read "AI" and immediately think whatever follows is worthless garbage. Which, even ignoring that not everything labeled AI is always ML, is a stupid reaction born from opposition to the LLM (and general genAI) hype.
Sure, the "woke mind virus" is pure delusion, and I, too, want to throw up from the genAI hype every time someone mentions "AI" or "ChatGPT", but AI isn't even well defined and even ML has plenty of useful applications.
It's the same anti-intellectual "I hate the things I associate with this word so anyone not hating on the word is stupid" while disregarding what the word actually means in the given context.
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But conservatives reacting to the word "pronouns" isn't at all about systemic oppression? It's about the immediate brain off that follows to instantly rant about "woke" or whatever, even if e.g. someone mentioned pronouns in a grammar context. It's a stupid reaction born from opposition to a perceived "woke mind virus" (or equivalent).
Similarly, some people read "AI" and immediately think whatever follows is worthless garbage. Which, even ignoring that not everything labeled AI is always ML, is a stupid reaction born from opposition to the LLM (and general genAI) hype.
Sure, the "woke mind virus" is pure delusion, and I, too, want to throw up from the genAI hype every time someone mentions "AI" or "ChatGPT", but AI isn't even well defined and even ML has plenty of useful applications.
It's the same anti-intellectual "I hate the things I associate with this word so anyone not hating on the word is stupid" while disregarding what the word actually means in the given context.
You are still comparing apples to oranges. Try again.
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So when this gets posted as a post it gets hundreds of upvotes but when I say the same thing as a lemmy comment I get hate?
First of all the title implies this is a joke, secondly posts always get more upvotes than comments, some apps even auto like a post if you click on it to open the comments.
threads, comments, posts and etc all have completely different ecosystems.
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Art can be made out of literally anything.
Such as LLMs.
Art is art because a human put their thoughts and feelings behind it.
You don't think there's any thought put into AI art by the creators?
Art is art, it doesn't matter what tool or medium was used, what matters is it reflects the artists intention or vision.
Art is art, it doesn't matter what tool or medium was used, what matters is it reflects the artists intention or vision.
Well, is it really your vision or intention if it pulled from the efforts and thoughts of a million others to generate your picture?
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ITT: exactly what the tweet was about.
(Edit: It was a tumblr post.)Y'all just saw "AI" and started frothing at the mouth about LLMs when, in the context of the tweet, it might just as well have referred to path finding AI in a video game.
Seriously, I don't get the issue but I understand the phenomenon. It's like painters when the camera was invented,
"cameras will put us out of work, cameras are lower quality, anyone with a camera can just take a picture!"
Painters are still around, painted art is still desired and expensive. It will be the same over time with AI, we just have to wait for people to get over it.
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Seriously, I don't get the issue but I understand the phenomenon. It's like painters when the camera was invented,
"cameras will put us out of work, cameras are lower quality, anyone with a camera can just take a picture!"
Painters are still around, painted art is still desired and expensive. It will be the same over time with AI, we just have to wait for people to get over it.
Can be applied to any new technology. This comic was made before generative AI was a thing.
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I chat with ai whenever I don't have a friend to chat with. (a lot)
Oh. Well at least you have the comments sections for now, though who knows how long before thats talking to AI as well. Apparently facebook is that way.
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But conservatives reacting to the word "pronouns" isn't at all about systemic oppression? It's about the immediate brain off that follows to instantly rant about "woke" or whatever, even if e.g. someone mentioned pronouns in a grammar context. It's a stupid reaction born from opposition to a perceived "woke mind virus" (or equivalent).
Similarly, some people read "AI" and immediately think whatever follows is worthless garbage. Which, even ignoring that not everything labeled AI is always ML, is a stupid reaction born from opposition to the LLM (and general genAI) hype.
Sure, the "woke mind virus" is pure delusion, and I, too, want to throw up from the genAI hype every time someone mentions "AI" or "ChatGPT", but AI isn't even well defined and even ML has plenty of useful applications.
It's the same anti-intellectual "I hate the things I associate with this word so anyone not hating on the word is stupid" while disregarding what the word actually means in the given context.
I think you're assuming people are having a knee jerk, ignorant response, because you have come to a different conclusion than they have.
My dislike of consumer AI is very well informed. I've built my own local models and used generative AI extensively for work (no choice). I was actually pretty excited for the technology before the corps started using it as their latest accelerationist cudgel in the class war.
As it stands, I think it's hard to justify using AI, even as a casual consumer. For many reasons that are already well documented.
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Art is art, it doesn’t matter what tool or medium was used, what matters is it reflects the artists intention or vision.
Based. Nothing triggers redditors and chuds alike than recognizing the value in all art.
Based. Nothing triggers redditors and chuds alike than recognizing the value in all art.
^ This matches my intentions and vision completely, so it's mine now.
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Can be applied to any new technology. This comic was made before generative AI was a thing.
As always, there's an xkcd for that....lol
To quickly further expand on my previous example with a few I thought of afterwards,
- the wax cylinder will kill live music
- the radio will kill live music
- the TV will kill radio
- the airplane will kill the cruise lines
