SystemD
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A lot of man-hours went into engineering it. Very smart people from many distros went over it, kicked its tires and deemed it good enough to replace old SysV. We've been through this, if you don't like it for some reason, use something else.
It's just software, people, it's not a frelling religion.
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Why do you feel a need to form an opinion on this based on what others think?
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Did you read my post at all? Maybe I am not clear enough.
I don't care for systemd, I don't dislike it I don't like it. I don't use it but merely because I never felt the need to use it, or I would have use it.
What people think of the non technical reasons given in the links/post is what I am asking. Is it just FUD or there is a valid base to them?
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I really love all the 5+ years old articles about why systemd sucks.
It's not perfect but it's so much better than the plethora of different init methods Linux used to have. Also managing sysv init scripts sucked really bad.
It's lightweight, most of it is optional, it's declarative, it makes managing your systems much easier and it just works. -
Gentoo user here too.
I once switched to systemd, but didn't stay using it for too long. Back then some things didn't work with systemd.
Nowdays my systems use seatd instead of logind or elogind. Some have musl toolchain.
It's just simpler, currently, for me to use OpenRC on all of my setups.
But the thing I most disliked with systemd was that it cannot work without journald. -
Fellow gentooer! I love how much you can actually decide by yourself how to craft your system with Gentoo.
OpenRC just rocks, a few lines of bash and all is set. But indeed is not for everybody.... (Joking).
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How do you know a post was written by a systemd hater? Easy, they'll spell it with a big D for some reason. It reminds me of how Norwegian rabid anti-cyclists are unable to spell "cyclist" for some reason.
Claiming you don't want to restart an old debate and then trying to restart it anyway is pretty funny.
You might also want to keep in mind that you can't really force an init system on Linux distros. Systemd became the norm through being preferred, as in, the people using and maintaining it think it's good. At this point you might as well be ranting about how "LinuX is evil somehow" and we should all be using GNU HURD or Minix or something.
Also: Haven't thought about suckless in well over a decade, maybe closer to two? I guess way back in the day I was kinda intrigued by their ideas and used some of their products; these days I'd rather see them as something between an art shop and people who are playing a somewhat unusual game with themselves, but not particularly relevant to mainstream software engineering.
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How is musl? Does it make a difference on glibc?
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Exchange of opinions is a great way to learn and broaden your views.
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I think when systend goes into systemv, a systemb is born almost a year later
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I am not debating it's good or bad from a technical perspective, i don't care, i am sure it's good otherwise why use it at all.
Why are you focusing on that? I never said it's been forced, i never said its bad or evil, i never discredited it.
I think it's worth understanding if the non technical points are just FUD or not, i worry about the future of Linux, not the future of it's init system whatever it is, all it need to do is satisfy it's function and OpenRC do it as well as systemd (there, with the small d is it different?).
I was under the impression SystemD was the name, with the capitals and all. Will fix the top post if this is somehow offending you. Whatever.
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Security is actually where Systemd has troubles generally. It has more CVE tgan all other init together.
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Lennart Poettering intends to replace "sudo" with #systemd's run0. Here's a quick PoC to demonstrate root permission hijacking by exploiting the fact "systemd-run" (the basis of uid0/run0, the sudo replacer) creates a user owned pty for communication with the new "root" process.
To my understanding that actually solves issues. A lot of ppl already prefer other tools like doas since sudo is basically "too big" for what it does.
More code means more potential bugs. run0 has to my knowledge significantly less code. And the benefit of not relying on SUID.
In the end, you do you. The big distros will adopt what is good for them and good to maintain. You do not have to use it.
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It's supposed to be more strict about standards... and maybe lighter in resources. I've been only testing it. Curiosity driven choice.
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You provided 15 links.
Are you seriously expecting somebody to walk you through each one?
You're claiming not to care either way about systemd and yet you've provided 15 sources against it and apparently done zero research into why it has been so widely adopted.
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i like systemd
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In that case why not share your opinion?
Instead you've claimed you're neutral and shared links to the views of 15 other people.
You haven't even quoted anything from these articles that concern you.
Everything about this screams you're asking in bad faith just hoping to waste people's time or start an argument.
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I was impressed they resisted calling it micro$oft. That's the usual sign of somebody adopting the tribal views of others.
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I've never used another init system, but i see no problem with systemd. The declaritive approach makes things very robust. Surely some things can be improved, but it's a good tool.
