Italy calls for 'immediate' summit between US, Europe following Zelensky-Trump clash
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I am not Italian, rather swedish, but what I have seen from Meloni in reality is that she has taken a very firm stance against Putin and his war on Ukraine and has given huge amounts of military equipment (scroll down to Italy to see what military equipment they have given) and and money to Ukraine. Meloni has never stood in the way of political decisions to support Ukraine or sanctions against Russia to my knowledge, rather has been at the forefront of implementing them and has continuously condemned Putin and Russia's agression. Exactly in what way is Meloni a puppet of Putin?
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Hard pass. He would just use the opportunity to rant at our diplomats like he did with Zelenskyy. We wouldn't want to sign any deals with a criminally insane dictator anyway.
The bond is broken, the ship has sailed. Time for us to pursue a Europe First strategy. Post haste, preferably.
And it's not just investments into military hardware we need to make but also pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, etc. We need to become independent as soon as possible.
The groundwork is there. We can do it if we really want. MEGA will beat MAGA, and screw Trump and his puppet master.
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This person got elected campaigning against EU and is now captaining a EU summit. They campaigned against surrogacy and electric cars and are in bed with elon musk contracting him military infrastructures.
Salvini is opportunistic. He is a fascist when is useful, he is a politics whore, will change in a blink of an eye. Meloni is not.
The current government is a coalition between meloni, salvini and berlusconi party.
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America is pro Russian anti Europe. This charade of pretending like the US isn't is a waste of time.
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As an American, I endorse this message.
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I wonder how a catastrophic global down turn would effect CO2 emissions.
Do people become more progressive politically during a recession? Or do you need a world war for that I wonder.
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That wasn't Italy that was something else Altogether but in the geographic area of italy, the real Italy we all know and love began in the 18th century as an effect of Napoleon's conquest then loss. Before that it was an geographic amalgation of principalities and kingdoms. All different currencies, armies, borders etc.
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AmeriKlans XD
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Trump and Elon are. I doubt the same is true for most actual Americans.
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Who is in charge, though?
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This person got elected campaigning against EU and is now captaining a EU summit.
And that's what I said. Completely expected. And her position about EU will change again depending on what happens in Europe. Right now she is still trying to reconcile EU and US.
The current government is a coalition between meloni, salvini and berlusconi party.
That's also what I said. Government coalition, especially in Italy, are not expressive of any particular ideology.
Also not Berlusconi's party anymore, thankfully, since he is feeding worms.What I want to say is that Meloni has some core values. These values are essentially the same that were for MSI, and those were the same that were for the PNF.
Other positions are subordinated to those values, which means that position to Europe, but also her atplantism change over time, depending on what serves best those core values.
Atlantism for example sounds extremely contradictory for a nationalist party which, during fascism, preached autarchy. So, did they change? No, not really. Atlantism is essentially a byproduct of anticommunism since the cold war era.
Likewise, EU position change depending if that is more functional to push nationalism (I.e., Netherlands and Germany want to strangle Italy - nationalism) or other stuff.The biggest difference is that people like Salvini were born politically as communists, joined the Lega Nord preaching independence of Padania within a party that literally wiped their ass with Italian flag, then moved to become nationalist populistic party once he took the lead. What is Salvini's core political values? None.
Meloni is a much more serious politician, which makes her much more dangerous, because she does have an ideology, and she does what is functional to push that ideology. Saying that fascists don't have ideas is - IMHO - straight up dangerous, because it gives the idea that they are not serious about what they do, and if the wind changes, they will also change. Meloni so far didn't change since she had a party with 3-4% and played Berlusconi's crutch until now. -
Grossly misinformed and deliberately un(der)educated voters.
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decreased economic activity alone I'd think would reduce emissions.
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I think they'll still be relevant for the foreseeable future but whereas traditional air power was once arguably the crucial element in many wars, it may not be the deciding factor in many conflicts going forward, at least if two modern militaries are facing off against each other.
Drones will be key in every war I'd think. And hypersonic missiles will probably be crucial in wars with modern militaries clashing.
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Denmark thought so, too. And of course Hungary still thinks it. When everybody thinks they will get special treatment from the US, internal cohesion suffers, as evidenced by this "summit" bullshit.
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Sentiments of "most" Americans matters as much as "most" Russians. Useless equivalent of thoughts and prayers when it doesn't stop the people in charge.
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I agree with meloni coming from a worst background but that background held no real core values too. What ideologies the mafia has? If needed they would even resort to kill children like they have done many times. What i'm trying to highlight to you is that scum simply doesn't play by the rules. If tomorrow international press were to start shitting on the church this person would do a 360 and change their views like mussolini did with lateran treaty
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I hope so. A good step would be for the UK to rejoin the EU but that seems unlikely to happen in the next decade. But we need to build solidarity and resilience, and like you say, increase our independence as much as feasible
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It's not entirely correct to use the ukranian war as an example of EU industries not being able to supply enough: the US took the lead there an EU expected support to last so they didn't even make the effort. Most of our industries SELL abroad an ukraine was not needing our support since the US was supposed to cover for it.
Granted the industry is fragmented and not really cohesive, so it would lack in the quantity, but I was merely referring to quality as in we are able to create top of the line weapons and systems that are the best of the world (exluding stealth fighter jets).
If the EU focuses in one direction and stops selling all around... And seeing how it is being basically forced to do so.
This was more of an answer to the guys saying "EU just buys US weapons because those are the best!" Rather than a direct answer to you, but I'd rather answer to someone capable of reasoning...
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I mean, if you were actually capable of reasoning you would have picked up early on that I very clearly stated Europe has world-class technology and potential. As you already noted, along with European leaders and industry analysts, fragmentation is a challenge (among other challenges.)
"the US took the lead there an EU expected support to last"
The USA was clear from the get-go that EU needed to provide a lot of support and that we largely view this is a European war, because, you know, it is a European war.
It's too bad you were so focused on attacking me from the get-go because we actually probably could have had a great and insightful conversation.
