What is the end game?
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I think once the singularity is reached with AI, it will quickly be able to take over all systems (including banking). I believe that it will be benevolent and will help humanity reach enlightenment. Most people will get an early retirement. But, some people such as Musk, Zuck, Bezos, will be considered essential and will be required to assist the AI and their robot armies in the fields, restaurants, factories, etc. I’m thinking we would only need about 1% of the population to work at that time, the top 1% are the best candidates.
I doubt AI will ever have it's own will. First to get their hands on ASI, becomes God forever.
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I don't want you to kill yourself. But I hope your plan includes taking a few billionaires with you
No, just blowing up somewhere quiet that won't do too much damage, but I did think about it, and it's unrealistic. I just want a plan B for when things become intolerable. I won't be a slave.
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The ability to grow, store, and distribute grains at scale is necessary for the continued existence of civilization. Climate change will destroy this in short order. Once that ability is gone, so will be civilization.
There is no tomorrow.
Countries like the PRC are making vast strides in the way of fighting climate change and emissions. We won't be able to avoid all of the consequences of climate change, but we can minimize the damage and develop methods of environmental engineering.
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See my comment to over_clox below. I'm pretty sure on many levels of abstraction. It is unlikely to convince you. I'm cool with that. I don't want it to happen. I'm simply noting the pieces aligning. I am broadly curious in many areas and subjects. I am also more broadly aware and generally skeptical than most people. None of that is a source of depression or in any way shape or form a justification for your accusatory statement implying the state of my mental health. I find that accusation tangential, offensive, and a personal attack in reply to a general statement where there was no individual in question. Turning a broad abstraction into a personal attack on an individual is reprehensible and rather pathetic behavior.
I apologize because I did not mean to make any sort of personal attack. If it came across that way that is entirely my fault.
If I can clarify in hopefully neutral terms, what I meant to say is that believing with certainty that 7 billion people are facing violent death within a generation or two cannot be good for anyone’s mental state and that sort of doom weighing on a mind will likely affect cause it many problems. It was not intended to be an attack on you, mainly an observation on the idea from my very limited point of view.
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This is so ridiculous. It is literally impossible for the US to become a vassal state of Russia. The USA spends, in aggregate over all states, TWICE AS MUCH ON ITS DOMESTIC POLICE AS RUSSIA SPENDS ON ITS ENTIRE MILITARY INCLUDING NUKES.
It is literally impossible. You are falling for children's story about the bad people over there.
I don't think you know what the words 'literally' and 'impossible' mean.
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What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?
Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?
How do these despots think that food arrives?
At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.
There is no endgame, it's just "how much bribery and corruption can I do before I have to leave the legal immunity bubble that the Supreme Court created.
They're rich enough that they will be unaffected by the global consequences of their actions.
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What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?
Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?
How do these despots think that food arrives?
At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.
All these US-centric answers.
Learn Mandarin. The world will continue on after the US empire ends. -
I don't think you know what the words 'literally' and 'impossible' mean.
Oh I do. The USA is a country that has Russophobia built into its institutions and social fabric, that has a spy network that has been operating continuously since it was formed post WW2, that controls more money, more arms, and more territory than any other country. It has assassinated more people, overthrown more governments, dropped more bombs, and killed more people than any country in the world since WW2. It has the most powerful companies, the most powerful billionaires, the most billionaires, the most billionaire-friendly laws and politicians. It has the world's reserve currency that every other country has needed to obtain in order to buy oil. It has destroyed entire countries for trying to prosper outside of its rules. It regularly imprisons or kills anyone that would threaten it even a little bit.
There is quite literally no path by which Russia could make the USA a vassal state. Russia has nothing to offer the USA billionaires, Russia's military and military intelligence had to be reorganized 30 years ago after the USSR was dismantled. Russia doesn't have the continuity that the USA does. It does have the money, it military, the resources, or the influence to make the USA a vassal state. The anti-russia CIA has had plenty of opportunities to put their thumb on the scale with Trump. They have not. Trump cannot get richer by becoming a vassal to Russia. But even if he could, there are far more billionaires running this country that would not benefit from becoming a vassal. And yet, there's not one of the powerful people trying to stop him.
The business plot in the USA shows just how organized and powerful the rich can be. They organized and were planning a coup in the USA so they could become more like fascist Germany, not to become a vassal, but to organize society to their benefit and ally with Germany.
You think billionaires would cheer on the USA becoming a vassal to a smaller, weaker state?
Russia can offer nothing, Russia's intelligence cannot overcome the CIA domestically, and the USA is the best place for the rich and powerful to be.
It is literally impossible for the USA to become a vassal of Russia
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What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?
Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?
How do these despots think that food arrives?
At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.
Orange juice
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The end game is a cyberpunk-esque corporate controlled future. No government, only companies deciding what's happening. Yes, slavery essentially, because people have to work for them to survive. No "less work" savings because of rising productivity, only more and more money centralized in them.
The government is the only one stopping me from buying a small patch of woodland and building a cabin there to live in. Get rid of that and suddenly I no longer have a reason to work more than a handful of hours a month.
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All these US-centric answers.
Learn Mandarin. The world will continue on after the US empire ends.4 channer said to not do that.
Also mentioned most business are fake or provide fake materials, probably why buildings are made of tofu in china
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Oh I do. The USA is a country that has Russophobia built into its institutions and social fabric, that has a spy network that has been operating continuously since it was formed post WW2, that controls more money, more arms, and more territory than any other country. It has assassinated more people, overthrown more governments, dropped more bombs, and killed more people than any country in the world since WW2. It has the most powerful companies, the most powerful billionaires, the most billionaires, the most billionaire-friendly laws and politicians. It has the world's reserve currency that every other country has needed to obtain in order to buy oil. It has destroyed entire countries for trying to prosper outside of its rules. It regularly imprisons or kills anyone that would threaten it even a little bit.
There is quite literally no path by which Russia could make the USA a vassal state. Russia has nothing to offer the USA billionaires, Russia's military and military intelligence had to be reorganized 30 years ago after the USSR was dismantled. Russia doesn't have the continuity that the USA does. It does have the money, it military, the resources, or the influence to make the USA a vassal state. The anti-russia CIA has had plenty of opportunities to put their thumb on the scale with Trump. They have not. Trump cannot get richer by becoming a vassal to Russia. But even if he could, there are far more billionaires running this country that would not benefit from becoming a vassal. And yet, there's not one of the powerful people trying to stop him.
The business plot in the USA shows just how organized and powerful the rich can be. They organized and were planning a coup in the USA so they could become more like fascist Germany, not to become a vassal, but to organize society to their benefit and ally with Germany.
You think billionaires would cheer on the USA becoming a vassal to a smaller, weaker state?
Russia can offer nothing, Russia's intelligence cannot overcome the CIA domestically, and the USA is the best place for the rich and powerful to be.
It is literally impossible for the USA to become a vassal of Russia
All Russia has to do (and by Russia, I mean specifically Putin and the KGB) is compromise our President. Which they have done. It's quite interesting how many pro-Russian decisions and talking points that are coming out of Trump's mouth. The size of our military, the amount of money we have or how much 'influence' we have (which is dwindling every day since Trump has alienated our allies and made us an absolute mockery on the world stage) - none of it matters if Putin has control of Trump, who has wasted no time in replacing the heads of government agencies with those loyal to his agenda. In this regard, Trump is a Russian agent.
You're wrong. Or you're a propagandist. Either way, time will tell.
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Trump is a Russian agent and the Kremlin dictates U.S. policy. It's already happened.
That's utterly ridiculous, see my reply here: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/7141540/6029073
Essentially, Trump doesn't have that kind of power. I don't mean legally, I mean socially. The business community in the USA is organized well enough to take out presidents. Let's not forget that as early as the 1930s there was consciousness among veterans that the military was used to further business interests. Let's not forget that the CIA was founded by the Dulles brothers to advance US business interests abroad. Let's not forget that when FDR was trying to implement the New Deal the rich of the USA organized a criminal conspiracy to coup the US and install a dictator.
Let's also not forget that the US military intelligence community has been organized against Russia for the last 80 years. Everything it does is informed by it's early foundations as an anti-Russia movement. They know more about Russia than Russia knows about the USA. US military intelligence also didn't suffer a complete and utter rupture like Russia's did when the USSR was dismantled. The USA got access Russian internal documents during that time, the Russia received no such boon to its intelligence.
In short, the USA is the more powerful of the two countries by every single measure, and both countries are fully aware of this. Not only that, but the elite of the USA are capable of stopping any Russian agent from slowing down their gravy train. They were willing to coup FDR just for helping the working class. There's no way the Russophobes in power in the USA would allow a Russian agent to take the reigns. They've had AMPLE opportunities to neutralize the threat. They've done so much killing, so much maiming, so much disappearing for much smaller stakes. Why do you think know that the stakes are the highest they could be they just won't do anything about it?
Further, the billionaires have every reason NOT to become a vassal state of Russia. It affords them absolutely no benefit and makes things far far worse for them. The USA has a strong currency, stronger economy, more money, greater access to markets, better trading terms, more military power, more global domination, more tax revenue, more colonies, more slave laborers, essentially more of everything (except the ability to produce effective weapons, I guess). No power bloc in America benefits from subjugating themselves to Russia.
No. The real answer is just too emotionally difficult for you. You've grown up in a Russophobic culture. We played video games where they replaced the Germans with Russians as the primary enemy. We've been socialized to believe Russia is terribad and dank evil. But the geopolitical situation is not good for the USA and the camp that believed they could defeat both Russia and China has been shown to be incorrect. So now, the situation is that the USA needs an alliance with Russia in the hopes of peeling Russia out of BRICS, away from its alliance with China, and eventually have Russia's support in fighting against China. So Trump is the figurehead put in place to shift American policy towards an alliance with Russia.
And you and every other American, with so much indoctrinated Russophobia, can't imagine that the same people who told you Russia was evil are now seeking an alliance with Russia. The only way you can square that circle is to believe Trump is some "great man" who can single-handedly overcome the most powerful institutions in the history of world because a bunch of overtly racist morons voted the wrong way.
You're going to have to face the reality that the US government's policy regarding Russia has changed and that, like all presidents since WW2, Trump is the outward face of that policy.
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Fascinating and bizarre, has he published any print books on this subject that I could pick up?
Check out https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/
There is a list of books he wrote with free PDF and links to Kindle store. "Mencious Moldbug" is one of his pseudonyms. -
All Russia has to do (and by Russia, I mean specifically Putin and the KGB) is compromise our President. Which they have done. It's quite interesting how many pro-Russian decisions and talking points that are coming out of Trump's mouth. The size of our military, the amount of money we have or how much 'influence' we have (which is dwindling every day since Trump has alienated our allies and made us an absolute mockery on the world stage) - none of it matters if Putin has control of Trump, who has wasted no time in replacing the heads of government agencies with those loyal to his agenda. In this regard, Trump is a Russian agent.
You're wrong. Or you're a propagandist. Either way, time will tell.
All Russia has to do (and by Russia, I mean specifically Putin and the KGB) is compromise our President
The KGB hasn't existed since 1991.
And no, compromising our president is NOT the only thing that a foreign actor would have to do. They would have to outmaneuver the entirety of the CIA working to prevent EXACTLY that situation from ever occurring. They would have to somehow stop the CIA from stopping such an agent at every possible step of the way over the past 12 years. You are living in a magical sitcom fantasy land where the bad guys are trying to get the McGuffin and if they do - GAME OVER, MAN. That's not how reality works.
It’s quite interesting how many pro-Russian decisions and talking points that are coming out of Trump’s mouth.
It is interesting. It's almost as if US policy has shifted its position regarding Russia and the president is aligned with that policy.
how much ‘influence’ we have (which is dwindling every day since Trump has alienated our allies and made us an absolute mockery on the world stage)
You have no idea how influence works, do you. Sure, Trump is a laughing stock. You still can't buy oil from OPEC without USD. Most nations still have billions of dollars in the US economy, and particular in US bonds. Most nations operate under USA-favorable conditions dictated by treaties with USA back with credible threats. US intelligence still operates the 5 Eyes, still runs the terrorist networks all over the world, still educates and trains the world's most deadly death squads. Yes, Trump is a laughing stock and the USA still dominates the globe and EVERY SINGLE NATIONAL LEADER has to consider the USA when choosing their words and their actions.
The size of our military, the amount of money we have or how much ‘influence’ we have - none of it matters if Putin has control of Trump
Pure young adult novel fantasy writing. It's just so incorrect and all the evidence of history shows how incorrect it is. You just can't imagine any other way that US foreign policy would suddenly change and desire an alliance with Russia the only thing you can come up with is a paper doll fantasy.
Trump, who has wasted no time in replacing the heads of government agencies with those loyal to his agenda
You do realize that the reason the CIA has a dozen different classifications for information is so that no single person or group ever has 100% of the information required? The agency is organized to survived the constant change of president. It couldn't serve its function otherwise. So yes, Trump has chosen a cabinet of "loyalists". Do you think all of those people are compromised by Russia? Or do you think that they all believe they can get more power if they turn the USA into a vassal of a smaller nation? Or do you think every single one of them is stupid?
By the by, how did Trump find all these loyalists? What did he offer them and how did they meet? Did Trump's real estate dealings and golf outings put him in touch with these people? Or is there just a huge pool of power brokers out there just waiting to take the world's richest and most powerful country and try to gain more money and power by subjugating such a country to a smaller, weaker, poorer country?
It's very easy to dismantle your fantasy by considering that other people also have agency and aspirations and asking yourself why anyone would be loyal to Trump if Trump is acting out of complete desperation because he's been compromised and if his choices lead to a worse outcome for the business community and the intelligence community, both of which are communities who assassinate people for far less urgent reasons on a regular basis.
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All Russia has to do (and by Russia, I mean specifically Putin and the KGB) is compromise our President
The KGB hasn't existed since 1991.
And no, compromising our president is NOT the only thing that a foreign actor would have to do. They would have to outmaneuver the entirety of the CIA working to prevent EXACTLY that situation from ever occurring. They would have to somehow stop the CIA from stopping such an agent at every possible step of the way over the past 12 years. You are living in a magical sitcom fantasy land where the bad guys are trying to get the McGuffin and if they do - GAME OVER, MAN. That's not how reality works.
It’s quite interesting how many pro-Russian decisions and talking points that are coming out of Trump’s mouth.
It is interesting. It's almost as if US policy has shifted its position regarding Russia and the president is aligned with that policy.
how much ‘influence’ we have (which is dwindling every day since Trump has alienated our allies and made us an absolute mockery on the world stage)
You have no idea how influence works, do you. Sure, Trump is a laughing stock. You still can't buy oil from OPEC without USD. Most nations still have billions of dollars in the US economy, and particular in US bonds. Most nations operate under USA-favorable conditions dictated by treaties with USA back with credible threats. US intelligence still operates the 5 Eyes, still runs the terrorist networks all over the world, still educates and trains the world's most deadly death squads. Yes, Trump is a laughing stock and the USA still dominates the globe and EVERY SINGLE NATIONAL LEADER has to consider the USA when choosing their words and their actions.
The size of our military, the amount of money we have or how much ‘influence’ we have - none of it matters if Putin has control of Trump
Pure young adult novel fantasy writing. It's just so incorrect and all the evidence of history shows how incorrect it is. You just can't imagine any other way that US foreign policy would suddenly change and desire an alliance with Russia the only thing you can come up with is a paper doll fantasy.
Trump, who has wasted no time in replacing the heads of government agencies with those loyal to his agenda
You do realize that the reason the CIA has a dozen different classifications for information is so that no single person or group ever has 100% of the information required? The agency is organized to survived the constant change of president. It couldn't serve its function otherwise. So yes, Trump has chosen a cabinet of "loyalists". Do you think all of those people are compromised by Russia? Or do you think that they all believe they can get more power if they turn the USA into a vassal of a smaller nation? Or do you think every single one of them is stupid?
By the by, how did Trump find all these loyalists? What did he offer them and how did they meet? Did Trump's real estate dealings and golf outings put him in touch with these people? Or is there just a huge pool of power brokers out there just waiting to take the world's richest and most powerful country and try to gain more money and power by subjugating such a country to a smaller, weaker, poorer country?
It's very easy to dismantle your fantasy by considering that other people also have agency and aspirations and asking yourself why anyone would be loyal to Trump if Trump is acting out of complete desperation because he's been compromised and if his choices lead to a worse outcome for the business community and the intelligence community, both of which are communities who assassinate people for far less urgent reasons on a regular basis.
More propaganda. Blocking you, now. Tell your Kremlin overseers that you failed to convince at least one person. Have a horrible life, tankie fuckwit.
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What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?
Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?
How do these despots think that food arrives?
At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.
End game is to go on yet another settler genocidal war to appease the imperial core working class.
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Orange juice
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What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?
Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?
How do these despots think that food arrives?
At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.
The rate of profit continues to decline because of overcapitalization. Factions are aligning to decapitalize rivals in order to increase their own rate of profit.
Also, they're all manic and dissasociated.
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I think once the singularity is reached with AI, it will quickly be able to take over all systems (including banking). I believe that it will be benevolent and will help humanity reach enlightenment. Most people will get an early retirement. But, some people such as Musk, Zuck, Bezos, will be considered essential and will be required to assist the AI and their robot armies in the fields, restaurants, factories, etc. I’m thinking we would only need about 1% of the population to work at that time, the top 1% are the best candidates.
Its fascinating that millenarians have now latched on to software developed for fraud and generating non-consensual pornography.
