Plex now want to SELL your personal data
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Then, you are completely out of touch with how most people use computers.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I'm not sure if you're just surrounded by mentally deficient people for some reason or seriously underestimating them, but pretty much everyone I know can type in a website address lol
Or maybe it's some zoomie "what's a computer" thing
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Because Jellyfin et al are all still very much "open source projects" in terms of UI/UX and it is still "missing" so many features.
For me? The big reasons why I just use plex boil down to:
- Maybe 80% of the time, I can cache an episode or a movie locally on my tablet when I am going on travel. This is great if I am doing a rewatch of something or don't super care about The Experience and just want to watch the next few episodes of a show in the evening. With Plex, this is trivial. With SOME of the third party jellyfin apps, this can be sort of worked around but then becomes a hassle to sync watch statistics (which episodes were watched or even where I left off because a buddy wanted to go out for drinks).
- Remote watching is similarly a mess. Plex has pretty okay-good systems to treat my home server as a "cloud" resource with a single forwarded port. While even that is very questionable security wise, Jellyfin is still "figure it out yourself". Which can be done with setting up a vpn or using Tailscale but adds additional complexities.
- Plenty of other "quirks" along similar lines
My personal opinion? For something that only "tech savvy" people are using more or less locally, Jellyfin is fine. For something that "just works"? There is no competition with Plex. And considering how many of the Jellyfin workarounds end up being "just download a copy of the file locally and watch it in VLC"... why would I use Jellyfin at all in that case when I could otherwise just mount a samba share or use Kodi (that is the latest incarnation of XBMC or whatever the samba share frontend we all used to watch porn on our playstations was, right?).
To be clear. I check in on Jellyfin probably every other year at this point? I WANT an alternative to Plex. But... Jellyfin ain't it.
I feel exactly the same as you, but i'd like to add a number 4 point:
Plex has an offical app for every system/SO -
Jellyfin is a fully self hosted drop in. That means it's up to the server operator to handle everything. You would still tell your mom to just install the Jellyfin app on her TV with the one additional step in your server address which you would tell her.
But yes, you as the operator have to do some extra things like implementating a reverse proxy and if hosting out of your home make necessary network configuration changes to accommodate this access.
You as server operator also have to check what device your mom has and point her to what app download, because Jellyfin doesn't have an app for everything
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This is specifically related to watching their free content. You can opt out of the sale & sharing of said data, which is used to play you targeted ads when watching their free content. I am not a big fan, but this is the typical "free" TV spiel. Was there something that changed recently or is it just being recognized now?
They also serve you their version of the show with ads if you have the same show on your Plex. I have Ghost in the Shell S.A.C on Plex and I've never watched their version but it sure as shit showed up in my "continue watching". The same thing happened when my gf was watching Midsomer Murders.
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Text:
I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/wrote last edited by [email protected]I miss when you could use something without it turning into spyware. Jellyfin it is then.
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And just like that we’re at silly made up hypothetical situations to drive fear and an agenda. That’s not even worth entertaining.
Btw these changes and the data that is shared/sold are only for plex’s hosted movies and shows - not your personal media collection.
We do not and will not collect information about content or titles in your personal media library or what you’ve played.
Personal media users: we do NOT, and will not, share or sell any information about the content and titles on or your use of a personal media server.
Source: link in the OP
And just like that we’re at silly made up hypothetical situations to drive fear and an agenda. That’s not even worth entertaining.
It's all hypothetical until it isn't anymore. You're literally the slowly boiled frog.
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Text:
I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/honestly for my purposes, jellyfin is more than enough. Does everything I want. Even got the icons of the series I watch implemented in the player
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I'm not sure if you're just surrounded by mentally deficient people for some reason or seriously underestimating them, but pretty much everyone I know can type in a website address lol
Or maybe it's some zoomie "what's a computer" thing
They can if forced to, but they never have to do that normally. What you're telling people to do is make normal people do things they don't normally do when browsing the web and saying its as easy as making them sign up for a Plex account. Most people have done similar things as the latter, but they only have to type a full URL once or twice in their lifetime.
That is way beyond the comfort zone of most people I know. The general use case of web browser for normal people is googling the website they want and clicking the link while being blissfully unaware of what a URL is or does.
This does not mean they are mentally deficient, it just means they spend their mental processing and memory on other things they deem actually important.
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python -m http.server is still my media server of choice. It's never let me down.
I bet you'd like filebrowser. Cleaner interface while being minimal as http.server
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You can literally click “I do not agree” lol. Also the “personal data” is a hashed email (so they don’t get your email), ip address, and watch history. Not very “personal”, and not anything that violates your privacy or is of any concern to you.
Idunno why you don't think having an unique hash attatched to your data is no biggie. Especially if that hash is easily cracked in a few years by quantum computers.
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Like all companies complying with European data collection laws, they can't collect your data and have to delete anything they have collected.
They can't delete everything they've collected and they propaply don't.
In a few years the "do not agree" will dissapear anyway.
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Yeah that’s definitely true. I gladly pay for Emby and thing it’s worth every penny for how I use it. Jellyfin has got to be the best free+open one for sure.
I pay for emby too. It's only like £5 a month and it's worth every penny to me.
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Yeah. I love open source, but people kinda assume you have unlimited time to sink until this stuff. Apple has done a great job selling an intuitive experience that I need for the non technical people in my household. That being said, I don’t understand why AirPlay doesn’t just fucking work. Siri is also garbage.
And if I have to listen to one more person try and explain to me why I have the wrong router, mdns, multicast, IPv6 settings, etc, I’m gonna lose it. One person is like, “buy Uniquiti, that plays nice with Apple Home and never use your ISP router”. The next person is like “you idiot, why would you think Ubiquiti + Apple would ever work stick with your IPS router”. Even if they’re right, it’s a failure of Apple to design a system that requires an IT person to setup.
Thank you for listening to my rant.
I love open source, but people kinda assume you have unlimited time to sink until this stuff.
And if I have to listen to one more person try and explain to me why I have the wrong router, mdns, multicast, IPv6 settings, etc, I’m gonna lose it. One person is like, “buy Uniquiti, that plays nice with Apple Home and never use your ISP router”. The next person is like “you idiot, why would you think Ubiquiti + Apple would ever work stick with your IPS router”. Even if they’re right, it’s a failure of Apple to design a system that requires an IT person to setup.
Maybe if you had more time to sink into your Apple problem...
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Idunno why you don't think having an unique hash attatched to your data is no biggie. Especially if that hash is easily cracked in a few years by quantum computers.
It’s an email address, it doesn’t matter lol
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Text:
I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/I might actually have to switch to Jellyfin then...
I say that as a paying plex pass customer
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My friend in England uses my server all the time and neither of us have gotten that email about being charged for shared library yet lol.
Maybe im just the chosen one.
Are you using the free version of Plex or the paid for version?
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It's interesting to see the different kind of comments here and on Redshit.
Here, people are smart and they are switching to Jellyfin. On Redshit, if people mention Jellyfin in a comment they get downvoted right away.
There's a reason we all left reddit.
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They can if forced to, but they never have to do that normally. What you're telling people to do is make normal people do things they don't normally do when browsing the web and saying its as easy as making them sign up for a Plex account. Most people have done similar things as the latter, but they only have to type a full URL once or twice in their lifetime.
That is way beyond the comfort zone of most people I know. The general use case of web browser for normal people is googling the website they want and clicking the link while being blissfully unaware of what a URL is or does.
This does not mean they are mentally deficient, it just means they spend their mental processing and memory on other things they deem actually important.
they only have to type a full URL once or twice in their lifetime.
We know very different sort of people. Remember that older people wrote the full address as the default, bookmarks and especially googling everything (and "apps") only became the default later on.
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It's interesting to see the different kind of comments here and on Redshit.
Here, people are smart and they are switching to Jellyfin. On Redshit, if people mention Jellyfin in a comment they get downvoted right away.
A lot of people moved to jellyfin even on Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1kwyqs5/_/ -
Didn’t even need to dig. As soon as I opened Plex in my browser, it gave me a giant full screen “hey we want to sell your data. Do you consent” page. I disagree with data sale in general, but at least they didn’t go out of their way to bury the opt out. In fact, they actually went out of their way to present the notification in a way that was impossible to miss. If you’re capable of reading, you’ll know what the popup is for.
Agreed, but I don't always trust myself not to have clicked through something like this on autopilot and make the wrong choice.
This post had me wanting to double-check I'd opted out (I had).
