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Maybe they didn’t vote for trump, but definitely actively discouraged people from voting blue.
Again, I'm not sure where you are from but I'm sure its hard to understand what it's like to be an American right now. People criticize the Democrats because most of us who aren't Republicans (which lumps all Liberals in with Leftists) want better than the scraps we have been thrown.
Every since I was a kid and able to pay attention to politics, the Democrats have been asking us to vote for someone who is problematic, but better than the alternative. "Vote the lesser of two evils" they say, or you will be handing the country over to a monster. And every election the Dems head more and more to the right. But in the Land of the Free we have no fucking other alternatives. We either accept the shit that is forced upon us, or allow a monster to rule. So no, putting Democrats on blast for 'not being perfect' is not the same thing as discouraging people to vote.
How many times did you ask yourself if the comment you are reading might have come from and been upvoted by a bot or foreign agent? Because Americans do have to be vigilant for that. Also, it's highly likely that republicans reading such a comment would upvote it as well.
every new gop fuck up asking why democrats didn’t do anything to stop it.
You don't think that its the Democrats job to try and stop the GOP? You don't think that's what the people who voted for them want them to do? If you look at those comments chances are they are complaining about the Democrats who are actually not doing anything to try and stop it. We aren't asking that about the ones who are trying but failing.
I cannot support biden (later Harris) because they are not perfect on issue X
I wish it were as simple as 'not being perfect'. I would kill to have a party I could vote for that was 99% of the way there. Fuck I'd be happy with 70% honestly. I don't blame you for not keeping a super close eye on American politics, but Biden is one of the people directly responsible for our disgusting, ill conceived, immoral, ineffective, and harmful 'War on Drugs'. He's part of the reason violence is as high as it is. He's one of the people directly responsible for the insane incarceration rates. He helped make it legal for the cops to LITERALLY steal from Americans. "Not perfect"? Fuck off with that shit.
Harris isn't any better, as California's AG she fought the Supreme Court for YEARS to keep human beings locked up in prisons so overcrowded that even the SCOTUS ruled that it was 'Cruel and Unusual Punishment' (that's actually illegal here believe it or not) Why? So she could use those prisoners as literal slave labor (We didn't get rid of Slavery entirely in the U.S., it's still ok if the Government does it). She also fought to make 'Civil Asset Forfeiture' even easier for the cops (the whole "it's legal for the cops to steal from you" thing). She's a 'Tough on Crime' right winger and always has been, despite what Fox news has to say about her. She and Biden were perfect- for each other.
As you rightly point out what passes for 'the left' in America is considered centrist in Europe, and you want us to what? Thank our lucky stars that the Democrats aren't literal fascists? Are we supposed to just accept worse and worse out of the DNC until one day we are voting for literal fascists because the alternative is a super-ultra-mega fascist?
I feel you, my point is that the time for fighting for a better democrat candidate is during the primaries (or now), not during an election. Plenty of "leftists" online (and real people like Muslims in Michigan who said it on TV) actively shit talked Harris weeks before the election.
And every time the primaries come, people decide quite decisively that they want the problematic candidate (Clinton, Biden) over the one that would bring change.
And the second topic, why the democrats don't do anything to stop the gop, two things:
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because they fucking can't, the are in the minority fucking everywhere. Americans had 4 years of trump, the covid debacle, the Capitol assault, the Georgia thing, the criminal convictions, the sexual assaults and the nuclear secrets in the shitter (to name a few), then 4 years of Biden where Israel continued to kill Palestinians as they always have and eggs got expensive and they decided to go back to trump in a landslide. No amount of boring speeches or whatever redditors and lemmings accuse the dems of justify that. The plurality of American voters (almost a majority) are morons with the memory of a goldfish and now they are looking to shift the blame for what they themselves have caused. We voted for trump, but how could we know wlyhat he would do X? (besides him saying "I will do X" repeatedly on TV, X being a part of project 2025 and trump voters wearing t-shirts "X is coming" constantly at rallies). Why arent democrats saving us now, X is all their fault.
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why isn't the question: "why are the Republicans doing it?" in the first place...
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No. But since you have experience, let me ask you: did you spend time sleeping on public benches and do you think features that attempt to prevent this are an attack on homeless people? And just to be clear, since this is a text-only format, I’m not being sarcastic or trying to make light of your experience; I’m genuinely curious.
Luckily, I became homeless in very late '99, where at least the area I was in, didn't have anti-sleeping measures installed on public benches, yet. Until I secured a shitty car to live out of, on the days I wasn't lucky to have a friend offer a spot to crash, parks were the only hope. I was removed by the police from them a bunch of times, told I cannot be sleeping there. When asked if they know any place I could spend the night, they spent zero time trying to help me. Told me to get out of there already.
It was really tempting to commit a crime, serious enough to get booked for few days, where I could catch up on sleep without freezing.
Fact those benches didn't have anti-sleeping measures, made for a few great nights where I could get some decent rest, which wouldn't have happened nowadays. So yeah, hard to say it's not an attack on homeless people, specially when the public servants have zero fucks to help you out. -
You're the one who posted misinformation, got called out, asked for more info, and then dismissed it when given. That's your shitty behavior, not mine.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Please point at the misinformation I posted. Sorry to break your hate-circlejerk, but everything I posted can be found in the wiki page, if you give me better sources I will edit the wiki page myself.
PS: I have been given no information, just rage.
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I live in a country where if you don’t have a job the government will pay for your rent and utilities, indefinitely.
Well, good for you. I live in a country that doesn't. I live in a country where your perspective is classist and callous.
You forgot racist. Everything you don't like is racist.
Keep raging at the people trying to solve the problem while you do nothing.
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You forgot racist. Everything you don't like is racist.
Keep raging at the people trying to solve the problem while you do nothing.
You forgot racist. Everything you don’t like is racist.
I did not. Though now I suspect you hear it a lot.
Keep raging at the people trying to solve the problem while you do nothing.
hostile architecture is not a solution.
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Anybody who uses "literally" to mean anything but "literally":
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b) literally has no valuable opinions.As someone who studies the english language, No
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Oh, I didn't realize it was kids hour for neolibs to comment on lemmy.
Well, get your ignorance out now kids, it is gonna hurt less than if you deny it wayyyyy into your adulthood....
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As someone who studies the english language, No
️Wow so you have no heart? Figures, person who can't use english the way I have arbitrarily decided it should be used based on other the word farts of people who are suffocatingly similar in lack of imagination to me.
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Who is Merriam-Webster? Some woke billionaire?
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You forgot racist. Everything you don’t like is racist.
I did not. Though now I suspect you hear it a lot.
Keep raging at the people trying to solve the problem while you do nothing.
hostile architecture is not a solution.
No, shelters are.
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No, shelters are.
So hostile architecture is unnecessary.
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You’re stupid if you think this is the effect anti-homeless architecture is having in the places it’s being implemented. They have very little impact to begin with. I don’t pretend to think that shelters can’t be improved, but if people refuse to utilize the resources we have, we must either come up with new resources or reevaluate our investments in the resources we currently employ.
It's a political problem. Houseless people are there because there's no political willpower to create systematic change to support them. So you're absolutely right when you say:
we must either come up with new resources or reevaluate our investments in the resources we currently employ.
The only problem is the answer to this question is more often on the side of the investment not being worth it, so the problem is left unaddressed.
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I feel you, my point is that the time for fighting for a better democrat candidate is during the primaries (or now), not during an election. Plenty of "leftists" online (and real people like Muslims in Michigan who said it on TV) actively shit talked Harris weeks before the election.
And every time the primaries come, people decide quite decisively that they want the problematic candidate (Clinton, Biden) over the one that would bring change.
And the second topic, why the democrats don't do anything to stop the gop, two things:
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because they fucking can't, the are in the minority fucking everywhere. Americans had 4 years of trump, the covid debacle, the Capitol assault, the Georgia thing, the criminal convictions, the sexual assaults and the nuclear secrets in the shitter (to name a few), then 4 years of Biden where Israel continued to kill Palestinians as they always have and eggs got expensive and they decided to go back to trump in a landslide. No amount of boring speeches or whatever redditors and lemmings accuse the dems of justify that. The plurality of American voters (almost a majority) are morons with the memory of a goldfish and now they are looking to shift the blame for what they themselves have caused. We voted for trump, but how could we know wlyhat he would do X? (besides him saying "I will do X" repeatedly on TV, X being a part of project 2025 and trump voters wearing t-shirts "X is coming" constantly at rallies). Why arent democrats saving us now, X is all their fault.
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why isn't the question: "why are the Republicans doing it?" in the first place...
wrote last edited by [email protected]I feel you, my point is that the time for fighting for a better democrat candidate is during the primaries (or now)
And yet even (now) when leftists state even the mildest of criticisms against liberals, we get accused of not being able to differentiate between liberals and fascists. "Both Sides The Same"- right?
And plenty of people do try to get better candidates elected during the primaries. You know who makes that damn near impossible? The fucking DNC. They are the ones who decides who gets the nomination, not the people. In 2016 we finally had proof of that when they colluded with the Clinton campaign against Bernie Sanders, and if you think that was anything new or has changed in any way- you aren't paying as close of attention as you imagine you are. In the ensuing lawsuit the DNC successfully argued in court that the DNC is "well within their rights to select their own candidate". This is despite the fact that their own charter promises ‘impartiality and even handedness’. They argued that was a mere "political promise" (aka an outright lie) and that it was "political rhetoric" that is not enforceable in federal courts.
So I'll ask you, if it's the DNC who decides who the nomination goes to and not the people, does that sound 'Democratic' to you? To me that sounds exactly like the Oligarchs are already in control and have been for a long time. How else are we supposed to fight for a better candidate other than try to educate others?
The vast majority of voters aren't even aware that even went down, because 'surprised Pikachu face' it was barely covered in the 'mainstream media'. The ONLY hope we have is waking people up to the realities of the situation, and liberals constantly blaming leftists for their failings isn't helping that cause at all.
Plenty of “leftists” online actively shit talked Harris weeks before the election.
Ok? Let's say for the sake of argument that all these people you claim to have seen with tons of support here and on reddit were actually leftists. Do you think they were doing that in order to get Trump elected? 'Weeks before the election' pretty much everyone had already made their mind up who they were voting for. The so-called 'moderates' who voted for Trump were not swayed by them.
The sad truth is that the U.S. elections are a clown show and it's more of a popularity contest than about policy. Most Republicans have no idea what Trumps plan/platform actually is other than "get rid of as many brown people as we can", and not an insignificant amount of Democratic supporters liked Harris simply for being a woman of color with a D next to her name. And that is exactly why Harris was less popular than Trump to these supposed 'moderates', because she was a woman and a person of color. I don't know if you have noticed or not, but we kind of have a huge problem with racism and misogyny in the U.S. The few supposed leftists you saw online 'shit talking' her couldn't make her an old white man, no matter how much they sucked on her asshole.
At any rate as I have already pointed out, it's highly likely that Harris did win, but Elon helped his 'good buddy' Trump rig the elections- so it likely wouldn't have mattered if every single non MAGAt in the country voted for the pro-slavery cop anyway.
because they fucking can’t, the are in the minority fucking everywhere.
It's true that they are in the minority, it's not true that they are powerless to do anything about it. There are plenty of things they could do to make life Hell for the Trump administration, but many of them are rolling over like good little puppets. Could it be because the D's and the R's are both basically on the same side and only exist to give us the illusion of choice? Nah, couldn't be that.
The plurality of American voters (almost a majority) are morons with the memory of a goldfish
You'll get almost no argument from me here except for the fact that it's not because they are morons, it's because they are ignorant by design. I would (not) like to see the effect 100 years of anti-left propaganda, "red scares", sabotaging education, crony capitalism, 'corporate personhood', rigged elections, corrupt politicians, media being 100% controlled by billionaires, and foreign interference coupled with an archaic voting system would do to your country but if you think your people would make better decisions in such a scenario- we will have to agree to disagree on that.
Both the DNC and the GOP intentionally keep us at each other throats so that we are so busy fighting each other that we wont notice that the real enemy is them and the billionaires they serve, and they have the not-so insignificant power of the largest propaganda machine in the entire world helping them with that project. Yes, one side is "better", but only just enough better to get around 50% of the vote each election. So weird that works out that way- right?
and now they are looking to shift the blame for what they themselves have caused.
And you are on here helping them to do just that. Do you imagine it's a coincidence that the Liberals are working overtime to blame Leftists for the mess they helped cause? Leftists are the reason that Trump won- right? Leftists are too stupid to tell the difference between the two parties- right? It has nothing at all to do with their candidate being a literal trash human being- right?
why isn’t the question: “why are the Republicans doing it?” in the first place…
That's a fair question, but one with a much simpler answer. If you were a Billionaire/ Group of Billionaires who made their fortune by exploiting people and you had the ability to literally buy the Government in order to insure that will never change- you would be a fool not to. Their job was made easy by having only two political parties to buy. They then set about turning half the country against the other half- again to distract from what they are doing. Then along comes a wild card in the form of Trump. A megalomaniac who used the racism and hatred of "Liberal" ideals and worship of the ruling class that the Republicans had carefully fostered to win massive support among the racist and hateful half of the country. Remember that the establishment Republicans did not want anything to do with Trump when he first started in politics, so much so that the only person he could get to be his VP this time around was formerly a 'never Trumper' (you know he hates that). Once the Republicans saw there was no stopping the hate train, they had little choice but to hop aboard or be crushed by it. et voilà! Fascism comes to "The Land of the Free".
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Either make compromises with other progressives or continue to let conservatives enact their vision of society to our collective detriment. Those are the options.
Except don't make "compromises" like the DNC where they abandon their base to chase after conservative voters that will never, ever, ever vote for them.
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making the world as hostile as possible is a good thing?
Oh, please, seriously? I advocate for a feature in public spaces that disincentivizes homeless people from sleeping on park benches and you think I’m trying to create a living Hell for them? After I’ve already also advocated for more to be put into affordable housing and outreach services for them? Get over your self-righteousness, man. Demonizing me won’t convince me or anyone else.
And for the record, gaslighting is when you lie and manipulate a person ways that specifically cause them to doubt their perception of reality; it’s not a catch-all term for saying something someone else thinks is untrue.
Perhaps you should read your own comments with that in mind.
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I have written and rewritten my response here trying to find the right tone. I feel like we are closer to agreement here than might be immediately obvious.
I think a lot of what we are seeing now is a result of 50+ years of people who find the idea of your republic distasteful seeking every method they can to erode it away.
All the details are just components of this project, seems to me that MAGA is a result of years of stoking xenophobia and anti-intellectualism.
Turns out if you spend decades laying the groundwork you can make the situation seem completely hopeless to a whole populace.
I sincerely worry the long term goal is to perfect the formula for dismantling democracy and then start exporting it to the rest of the world.Or I could be a fool, I don't know and I don't want to rewrite this again. Sorry that this was so rambling.
[...] now is a result of 50+ years of people who find the idea of your republic distasteful [...]
You're absolutely right, although the cycle goes back a lot further than 50 years. The two parties are playing good cop / bad cop against the middle, directed by their donors with the concerns of the people driving only the nature of the lies they tell. The right wing implements authority the left placates the masses with flaccid opposition. Don't let your left parties slip to the "middle", it's just another word for right.
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By your logic, anyone from Australia would say the literal exact opposite. Let’s not forget what Liberal parties around the world are like.
That being said, in the US there are no elected center left candidates except maybe two or three. Elected Democrats—liberals, usually—are just as traitor lunatic as right wingers when it comes to anti homeless designs.
The fact that you talk about “the other extreme” without even a hint of self reflection is troublesome at best. The other “extreme” is called housing, son.
Did an American just question my logic? You guys are kinda deranged and politically toxic
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Conservatives wouldn't build the bench.
Free public spaces don't encourage people to go in to a shop hard enough. You wanna sit down? Starbucks has chairs. Want a sip of water, go buy a bottle.
Can I just say I used to live in a country with shanty towns and it sucks, it’s a shit show. Why would anyone want that? Slapping tiny homes on city parks isn’t a solution it’s just stupid
