Iranian regime muzzles media with grim death penalty warning
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If it's a dictatorship I'd say yes because they are (also) the enemy.
I'm also against the death penalty in general, but especially for scaring your own citizens into obedience.
Yeah, apparently murder is supposed to be used for scaring foreign citizens into obedience, based on what liberals say
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In the UK they were not a problem. Not even discussed until Israel attacked and now they're scrambling to paint them as the biggest evil to retroactively justify the attacks.
Media freedom is rubbish in Iran. They're not good guys. However, media is silent on the number of journalists Israel has killed recently, and no, they're not allowed in Gaza, so the threat of death and lack of freedom seems to apply to the aggressors also.
In reality, they should be clearly communicating this is 2 bad guys fighting this out. It's obvious who the aggressor is who kicked off another front though.
they should be clearly communicating this is 2 bad guys fighting this out.
Would you say they should teach World War 2 was just bad guys fighting it out? Or are you a hypocrite?
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Yeah, this is why I'm not on Iran's side.
I still want them to hurt Israel as much as possible. My heart goes out to the innocent people of Iran.
Ukraine also does this, by the way, are you going to assert that you're not on Ukraine's side?
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Mate, I don't rely on mainstream media to tell me what to think about Iran. I have in-laws there. My partner regularly talks to them.
Iran was always shite and during the protests, the media said as much. When they executed protestors, It got reported upon. There was never a time in which Iran was like anywhere close tolerable. Did UK media not pounce on the Shahed drones to Russia? Come on, mate.
The UK media did not. It was mentioned they were used but with no judgement one way over another. The amount of UK weapons used to execute civilians, to them this is state normal.
Myanmar are Ethiopia are doing much worse to civilians. Saudi are horrific for rights. Those countries are barely mentioned. It's not about atrocities. It's about Western foreign policy.
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The UK media did not. It was mentioned they were used but with no judgement one way over another. The amount of UK weapons used to execute civilians, to them this is state normal.
Myanmar are Ethiopia are doing much worse to civilians. Saudi are horrific for rights. Those countries are barely mentioned. It's not about atrocities. It's about Western foreign policy.
Well fuck UK media then, lol.
Maybe I misunderstood you. I've been seeing too many people running defense for Iran these days, and by running defense I don't mean justifying Iranian retaliation (totally justified to strike back if you're attacked) but rather defending the Iranian government retroactively.
Both Myanmar and Ethiopia are in active states of civil war. By the very nature of civil war they are doing much worse to their citizens.
Iran hasn't been in a civil war, yet it's still brutalizing its citizens. Even more than the Saudis. -
Funny, I've been saying this for the last three years and liberals have been telling me that that makes me a tankie Putin simp.
Based on your other comment, I'm inclined to agree with the liberals.
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We saw how western and Israel intervention always has devastating effect to the population of those countries. The only rational way to think about this is Iran has to defend itself against foreign power known for indiscriminate destructions . Once once it is repealed . The Iranian population can fight against the regime
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Sure, not saying Iran doesn't have the right to defend itself.
Revolution is sort of a separate consideration, however. Governments often use war as an excuse to continue eroding the basic rights of citizens, and Iran is no stranger to theocratic fascism. Revolutions can begin during wars.
1940's China paused its revolution in order to face the existential threat of Japan. On the other hand, 1910's Russia began its revolution during the ongoing conflict of the Great War. The people will reach a breaking point whenever things become too intolerable. It's different for each example.
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Whataboutism is for blaming USA when the Russians have done something bad, not the iranians or Israelis
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️.They is no whataboutism. You just have double standard
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Sure, not saying Iran doesn't have the right to defend itself.
Revolution is sort of a separate consideration, however. Governments often use war as an excuse to continue eroding the basic rights of citizens, and Iran is no stranger to theocratic fascism. Revolutions can begin during wars.
1940's China paused its revolution in order to face the existential threat of Japan. On the other hand, 1910's Russia began its revolution during the ongoing conflict of the Great War. The people will reach a breaking point whenever things become too intolerable. It's different for each example.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Only soldiers on the ground by the usa may make the regime fall. Iran war will never got worse than gaza war. Despite famine, only few gazans are protesting hamas.
I will also repeat that western interventions always has terrible effects
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What about iranians who don't want to get murdered by israel
My heart goes out to the innocent people of Iran.
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My heart goes out to the innocent people of Iran.
Doesn't look like it. You seems to love seeing Iranians get killed so Israel and the west put a puppet regime instead of the current oppressive regime .
You sound like those people who say my heart going to innocent peoples while defending a genocide in Gaza
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Doesn't look like it. You seems to love seeing Iranians get killed so Israel and the west put a puppet regime instead of the current oppressive regime .
You sound like those people who say my heart going to innocent peoples while defending a genocide in Gaza
Ignored.
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Only soldiers on the ground by the usa may make the regime fall. Iran war will never got worse than gaza war. Despite famine, only few gazans are protesting hamas.
I will also repeat that western interventions always has terrible effects
I think we're having separate conversations, this is about a much needed people's revolution by the citizens in Iran to course correct for the Western meddling that landed them in their current situation.
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Well fuck UK media then, lol.
Maybe I misunderstood you. I've been seeing too many people running defense for Iran these days, and by running defense I don't mean justifying Iranian retaliation (totally justified to strike back if you're attacked) but rather defending the Iranian government retroactively.
Both Myanmar and Ethiopia are in active states of civil war. By the very nature of civil war they are doing much worse to their citizens.
Iran hasn't been in a civil war, yet it's still brutalizing its citizens. Even more than the Saudis.I ain't defending Iran, they ain't good guys. They just got attacked by worse guys. Probably as a distraction from the ethnic cleansing going on in Gaza.
My personal stance is all war is bad, and I will call out aggressors, because it's always civilians that bear the brunt of it. Nothing good ever comes from it, and it'll just harden people and if any bad folk are killed, they're inevitably replaced with worse.
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there are no good guys in this.
There were no "good guys" in World War 2 either, and yet you don't see people going around squealing "both sides were scum!" At anyone who supported the allied
WWII is a very weird exception. Most people have this mentality for just about every war in history except for WWII and really recent wars. For some reason, in the West history starts and stops with WWII. That is the point of reference for everything, and it's the only war that's with a superhero comic lens where there is an ultimate good and an ultimate evil... but that's not really how history works.
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And they're less terrible than any country that is supporting Israel's Holocaust in Gaza.
Israel is terrible, but Iran is one of the few countries in the world that tops them.
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They funded, supported, and armed Hezbollah in Lebanon hat has helped turn the country into a failed state
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They funded, supported, and armed the Houthis in Yemen that helped turn the country into a failed state
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They funded, supported, and armed Zaynabiyoun Brigade and Fatemiyoun DivisionIraq in Syria which helped make Syria's civil war so much worse
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They funded, supported, and armed Kataib Hezb Allah, Harakat Hezb Allah al Nujaba, Badr organization, Kataib Sayyad al Shuhada, and Asaib Ahl al Haq in Iraq which turned the country into a failed state
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They directly helped create the conditions that led to the rise of ISIS in both Iraq and Syria
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They are openly arming and supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine
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They support and fund Saraya al Ashtar and Saraya al Mukhtar in Bahrain to help destabilize the country
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They fund, support, and arm the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas in Palestine to keep the country radical and violent against Israel (funny how Israel and Iran have the same goals here)
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They supported the brutal Al Assad regime in Syria and helped keep him in power
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They supported and funded Hezbollah al Hejaz in Saudi Arabia to try and destabilize the country
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They literally have an entire branch in their military that's specifically created for the purpose of arming proxy groups to destabilize the region (Quds force)
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They have been oppressing and killing their own people to such a comical degree that they even make other authoritarian countries uncomfortable
They Idk what planet people on this site live on, but Iran is not a force for good in any capacity. The people who support them are either evil, ignorant, or both.
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Sadly, Iran has not been "tolerable to the media" in recent times.
(Example: a few months ago, their courts were discussing whether to sentence a rapper named Tataloo to death for "corruption on earth" - singing about the wrong things.)
Since they are now in war, media freedom in Iran is probably under the table.
Lmao imagine thinking that Iran under the regime of the mullahs has ever had any sort of media freedom
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Iran which was tolerable to media a few months ago
Why are people upvoting you when you're wrong?
People on this site are seriously out of touch
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I ain't defending Iran, they ain't good guys. They just got attacked by worse guys. Probably as a distraction from the ethnic cleansing going on in Gaza.
My personal stance is all war is bad, and I will call out aggressors, because it's always civilians that bear the brunt of it. Nothing good ever comes from it, and it'll just harden people and if any bad folk are killed, they're inevitably replaced with worse.
Thanks, that's refreshing to hear.
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Does anyone else see a suspicious disconnect here? The actual legislation cited is a prohibition about "any intelligence cooperation with the Mossad". And what's more, this complaint is coming from Euronews, a news agency which is likely hostile to the regime. Whatever you think about the regime, I am pretty sure that cooperation with the enemy in wartime is maximally punishable in any country.
So my takeaway when I read this piece was that it sounded like a fox complaining that teeth and claws are forbidden in the chicken coop.
You're halfway there. Now ask yourself why a civilian has a distinction in their language when they're describing world leaders? Why is Iran ruled by a "regime" and any is Israel seeking "regime" change? Why are Western countries not ruled by "regimes"?