do you think we are going into ww3?

[stinky@redlemmy.com]

when the rich wage war it's the poor who die

[crabandbroom@lemmy.ml]

I think sort of, although it won't be as cut-and-dry and the first two. I think it'll be somewhere between a traditional 'hot' war and a cold war, where the larger players (ie: China, the US, Russia, the EU) will engage in propaganda wars, attempts to destabilize each other, cyber attacks, trade wars etc. while in areas outside of those groups (eg: Ukraine currently) there will be physical wars fought by proxy between the bigger groups.

I think we're seeing the start of it now, and IMO the US is probably doing the least well so far of the major groups. Russia is doing the destabilization thing, which is working quite well in Europe and spectacularly well in the US, China seems to be leading in trade and tech (both cyber attacking and just undermining the US tech sector with things like DeepSeek) and I think Europe's strategy seems to be to just bunker down and see what happens.

I think the main advantage the US traditionally has always had is its military - it's geared up very well for a big physical war, but I don't think this is that kind of conflict. And with the Trump administration's obsession with tariffs and the general disregard for education and soft power, I think the country is really heading in the wrong direction for what may be coming.

[theneverfox@pawb.social]

Yes, the World Bank and the IMF. I've even seen it personally, which is what led me to dig down the rabbit hole - I got interviewed by a world Bank employee to explain why I was installing a system for an airport, and they kept trying to guide me to explain why it was helpful...I couldn't, because it was only useful if the Internet is down, and if that happens it's probably not useful because the system had to be taken down if there's bad weather, and the airport regularly flooded during storms anyways

They were constant protests and news coverage of projects being pushed on them, and it was an open secret for the airport workers. It was for things they didn't need or want, even though they had plenty of infrastructure in disrepair already

Argentina is the classic example, they resisted and had their currency destroyed, which makes international trade hard. Other countries go so deep in debt they have IMF officials installed in their government to implement austerity measures, some even are forced to hand over their currency printing powers

Sometimes countries get into our good graces, like Peru, and they are let off the treadmill in exchange for beneficial trade deals. That's after having their resource rights sold off and letting in foreign investments to extract wealth moving forward, but mostly they're kept in perpetual debt as leverage

It's a wild and very deep rabbit hole. The information isn't hidden, it's just spun in a positive light

[cowbee@lemmy.ml]

You're describing Imperialism as outlined by Lenin in Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism and its contemporary form by Hudson in Super Imperialism, but these are overwhelmingly done by Western countries, especially the United States. Do you have specific evidence of this being a primary factor for China specifically?

[theneverfox@pawb.social]

They're not Marxist-Leninists at all though... They're just a highly regulated form of capitalism.

The government doesn't own Tencent, they just keep a strong grip on them. They have their own billionaires, the factories have owners, companies bid to fulfill government contracts, you apply for a job and get paid what they offer. It's just capitalism

Their government does a lot more than in the US and has a lot more influence, and they do influence the market more... But that's just regulation and public services

They basically do what we did to tik tok. The US government can revoke a corporate charter for any or no reason, China just actually uses this authority actively

[cowbee@lemmy.ml]

They claim to be Marxist-Leninists, explain their actions, and have an economy driven by Marxist-Leninist analysis. They have Markets, yes, but markets aren't the same thing as Capitalism itself. Rather, they have a Socialist Market Economy, which is driven by public ownership and planning of heavy industry, energy, finance, infrastructure in general, etc and have partial private ownership over light industry.

By what reasons do you say they aren't what they say they are? What do you think their economy would look like if they were "true Marxist-Leninists" in your eyes? When does an economy become "Capitalist" and when does it become "Socialist" in your eyes?

[ultragigagigantic@lemmy.ml]

The class war never stopped.

[davel@lemmy.ml]

Yes, the World Bank and the IMF are major actors in post-WWII neocolonialism.

Guess which is the sole country with veto power in both the World Bank and the IMF?

• https://www.worldbank.org/en/about/leadership/directors/eds01
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Monetary_Fund

[theneverfox@pawb.social]

I mean... They're not exactly hiding it. The expressed purpose of belts and roads is to invest in their infrastructure and partner with them to build industrial capacity. Conveyer belts and roads. They openly state they're doing it to build up trading partners and global influence

It's literally the same thing... Will they be better partners? Hopefully, it's not exactly a high bar

[cowbee@lemmy.ml]

It's not at all the same thing, and I suggest you read the linked texts. Building infrastructure and trading deals is not the same as Imperialism, where brutal loans entrap countries and industrial capital is exported to produce with lower wages for super profits domestically. I already explained that China is heavily industrialized and seeks to sell what it produces.

[pyr_pressure@lemmy.ca]

America will take Greenland, and then Canada is next being surrounded on three sides.

Can a NATO country invoke the defence pact if it's attacked by another NATO country?

NATO vs America wasn't on my bingo card.

[nicolahaskell@lemmy.ml]

I think we're going through Cold War 2 before World War 3. China and Russia have been testing krill fishing limits recently, and the TikTok showdown is testing Internet authority.

[glowing_hans@sopuli.xyz]

During the first cold war conflicts happened outside of the super-powers:

• Vietnam and Korea

This time conflicts will happen in Siberia, Africa and Middle east.

[glowing_hans@sopuli.xyz]

Demographics will play a major role in this: Younger median age countries will have more war and conflict, while the older countries can maintain some semblance of stability.

[glowing_hans@sopuli.xyz]

Myanmar borders China in to its north and India to its west and is currently in a civil war. This would be the perfect place for a proxy war between India, US vs China.

[readmorebooks@lemmy.zip]

While I know a lot less about global politics than other subjects, involving India seems like a really bad idea. Otherwise it makes sense.