Racism in Germany is the norm not the exception – DW – 03/23/2025
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That’s a 12 year old paywalled map. I don’t see any evidence for their claim and I recommend reading this carefully: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Germany
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Religions are ideas. Ideas dont have rights. Humans have. You are free to criticise ideas & religions. They dont have rights. Criticising a religion is not bigotry.
we can definitely manage to not dehumanize other people just because they have different religions and customs. Appealing to tribalism is a bullshit excuse.
Why was your reaction to that to defend "criticising religion"? If this is mixed together for you, then it seems your idea of "criticising religion" indeed contains bigotry and can serve to dehumanize people.
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Can you tell me some areas in the world that are more multi-cultural and less racist than western Europe?
For example, Singaporeans are wilding about Indians coming to their country for economic reasons. Working day and night, outcompeting locals. Bringing in more Indians.
I've been outside of Europe, you know what I saw? A lot of mono cultures such as Europe in the 1900s.
You are right, it's true everywhere. It's human nature to be wary of people you don't understand. But, for some things, you'd expect countries that are a lot further ahead in progressivism to be "nicer".
Though I suppose that's very difficult to quantitatively measure - how progressive someone is. How more accepting they are than other countries.
But there's also room for letting people air out their issues without being told that "everyone is like this, stop whining". That's literally what the Russian goverment does, they implicitly tell their populace that democracy doesn't work and that this is the best deal they'll ever get.
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You are right, it's true everywhere. It's human nature to be wary of people you don't understand. But, for some things, you'd expect countries that are a lot further ahead in progressivism to be "nicer".
Though I suppose that's very difficult to quantitatively measure - how progressive someone is. How more accepting they are than other countries.
But there's also room for letting people air out their issues without being told that "everyone is like this, stop whining". That's literally what the Russian goverment does, they implicitly tell their populace that democracy doesn't work and that this is the best deal they'll ever get.
Ah it can always be better. Fun fact, 80% of Congolese cobalt is owned by Chinese companies.
Strong economies trade with weak economies. Ends up in a win win situation. China only became a strong economy through the trade with priorly developed economies.
So I'm going to ignore that argument a bit. Worst thing we could do for "global south" would be to stop trading with them. It'd be called sanctioning them.
Now, eh, we got our issues to tackle in Europe. But as someone who was born in 1995, I have seen how my society has transformed. Brussels in the 90s compared to today is day and night in terms of diversity.
Now you can always say like "there's racism!!! This is a shit hole to live in!!!"
But then.. come on, it's not that bad. I know 20% of Europe is voting anti immigration political parties. But these are usually the less educated folks.
Get educated, you won't even be in contact with them.
My wife's pregnant. Our kid will be indonesian-Belgian in ethnicity (or Chinese/Japanese whatever, she keeps being called Chinese in her own country lol)
So our kid will grow up in bit of a racist environment.
Well, we have the privilege to live anywhere in the world that we want. My wife prefers Belgium.
I'll trust her judgement.
We can always improve, but we live in a pretty good place.
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Religions are ideas. Ideas dont have rights. Humans have. You are free to criticise ideas & religions. They dont have rights. Criticising a religion is not bigotry.
Criticizing people simply for holding a religious belief, so long ad those beliefs do not directly infringe on others (paradox of tolerance blah blah), is bigotry. Using mental gymnastic to say that the people themselves are not being criticized or being treated poorly is disingenuous.
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United America States format
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As a german citizen with an immigrant background from Eastern Europe, I can confirm this. It's bad enough for a white looking, german passing eastern european. My friends from the Middle East or Africa have had a much, much worse experience than I ever will. Hell, I was walking down the street with my black friend once and some guys in their early twenties decided it'd be funny to scream the N word at us out of their car while also telling us to "go back where we came from".
Or another interesting story, I was at McDonalds the day right after the Hamas attack on Israel happened. Apparently the cashier thought it'd be acceptable to tell the muslim woman (that was obviously just a student or a tourist coming from abroad cause she had a huge suitcase with her with those airline tags on it) in front of me that she should learn german or don't come here, then said shit like "only thing you muslims know to do is behead people" and gestured with his hand at his neck the movement of cutting someone's head off. I was the only one to intervene and tell him it's not okay. All the pasty ass german boomers behind me just stayed in line and waited for their shitty burgers to arrive, literally no words of condemnation.
As an American I'm sometimes caught off guard by European racism. Ethno-nationalism makes zero sense here - everyone's an immigrant, except for the massively opressed indigenous Indians. I can see how it could make a kind of sense in a country that's had one ethic group for centuries, but given his many wars and how much migration has happened over the last 1,000 years in Europe such attitudes can be dubious in places. Even still, it's stupid, denying the humanity of people who are just trying to get by like everyone else.
The way people are racist is somewhat different, sure to different cultures and histories. I wonder how much American racism y'all have imported; we have rather different histories with different ethnicities than y'all have. Even different parts of America have different kinds and degrees of racism from each other. It's a big fucking country.
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Criticizing people simply for holding a religious belief, so long ad those beliefs do not directly infringe on others (paradox of tolerance blah blah), is bigotry. Using mental gymnastic to say that the people themselves are not being criticized or being treated poorly is disingenuous.
Yes of course, but Islamic beliefs directly infringe on others.
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Yes of course, but Islamic beliefs directly infringe on others.
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It is incredibly easy to pick out the Germans on Lemmy. After two back and forths they start screaming racist stuff about brown people.
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It is incredibly easy to pick out the Germans on Lemmy. After two back and forths they start screaming racist stuff about brown people.
You confuse them with US Americans.
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You confuse them with US Americans.
Liberal Americans (the folks on Lemmy) tend to be held back with racism. They only show it in subtle racist double standards.
In Germany being a Liberal means you want free healthcare but you also really hate brown people.
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Liberal Americans (the folks on Lemmy) tend to be held back with racism. They only show it in subtle racist double standards.
In Germany being a Liberal means you want free healthcare but you also really hate brown people.
You seem to know nothing about Germany
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You seem to know nothing about Germany
I know about Germans from a bunch of people on Lemmy who said racist stuff and they all prefaced it by saying they were German.
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You seem to know nothing about Germany
They seem to know nothing in general.
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Germans suffer from mass obedience and mass conformism more than any other country in western Europe I've been to. It's a national disease
Lagom e best is commonly said in Sweden for a reason.
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Criticizing people simply for holding a religious belief, so long ad those beliefs do not directly infringe on others (paradox of tolerance blah blah), is bigotry. Using mental gymnastic to say that the people themselves are not being criticized or being treated poorly is disingenuous.
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This upsets me deeply. I'm German and I really don't care where people come from or how they look. Sure there are some prejudices in my mind, but I actively fight against them, because we're all just humans.
My partner comes from a South Asian country and I just see her as a bit more tanned than me, who is more pale. I genuinely don't understand the concept of skin colours and I'm regularly confused by it, believe it or not.
I'm sorry for everyone who is confronted with racism etc. I deeply hope that some day we overcome these arbitrary things that divide us.
