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  • eldritch@lemmy.worldE [email protected]

    No I'm simply stating that changing one brainwashing for another is not helping. And the reason I haven't answered any of your questions is because you haven't asked any questions. You've been making a lot of false accusations.

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    US foreign policy shill pretending to be a communist but defending Al Qaeda jihadis pretends not to know what question marks are.

    So are you saying that your brainwashing is "objective" even though you're a Fox News "communist"? All I'm asking for is consistency.

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      Its incredibly sad how Tibet was just completely forgotten in just a few years. Its legit scary how effective China is at conquest and the world should pay attention.

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      Wasnt Tibetan society like 90% slaves working for the monastic rulers?

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      • gsus4@mander.xyzG [email protected]

        What is this website (is it reputable?) and why are Myanmar journalists the ones to discuss this, when they have a civil war to worry about? Is China supporting the opposite side to these journalists'?

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        China is a direct neighbour of Myanmar, with a history of political meddling in Myanmar and also of setting up illegal exploitative businesses by entrepreneurs. But even without the meddling, they are direct neighbours, which should be enough reason for Myanmar journalists to want to know what is going on in China.

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          China is a direct neighbour of Myanmar, with a history of political meddling in Myanmar and also of setting up illegal exploitative businesses by entrepreneurs. But even without the meddling, they are direct neighbours, which should be enough reason for Myanmar journalists to want to know what is going on in China.

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          Huh, I thought every conflict in the world was the fault of the US...welcome to the multipolar world I guess 😕

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          • gsus4@mander.xyzG [email protected]

            Huh, I thought every conflict in the world was the fault of the US...welcome to the multipolar world I guess 😕

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            Fault? I didn't mean to imply that China is responsible for starting the latest bout of civil war in Myanmar, because they weren't. There's really no reason to believe that whenever something bad happens, some outside big boogeyman is entirely to blame. If you want to know what caused the current civil war to start, try looking it up, but please don't make assumptions.

            If you can't look it up because of time constraints or other reasons, then accept that you don't know. It's impossible to know everything, so there's nothing wrong with not knowing some things. But imo not knowing something and knowing that you don't know, is a lot better than making assumptions and inventing alternate facts.

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              Wasnt Tibetan society like 90% slaves working for the monastic rulers?

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              A narrative that conveniently ignores that the Dalai Llama was, and is, more of a socialist than the CCP ever mustered to be and was always very much on board with reforming everything. Or, well, the current incarnation always was. The split only came after it became clear that tankies gonna tank, that is, the CCP cared less about the freedom of the people (both in a spiritual and material sense) than about having full control over a mineral-rich mountain fortress to build a military-industrial base that couldn't be shelled from the ocean. Tibet alas is, geographically, the Switzerland of the Himalayas. Another factor was the sheer popularity of the Llama in Tibet, spiritual leader + socialist is a sure-fire double whammy to popularity but threatened the party's prerogative of interpretation not to mention orthodox Marxist doctrine, opium for the people and everything.

              You know what's the most absurd thing about all this, especially considering Marxist materialism? That the CCP is claiming that it can legislate on reincarnation. And not in the "yeah this is all BS" sense, that'd be par for the course, but in the "ok here is how it's going to be done" sense. Went so far as to accuse the Dalai Llama of blasphemy for suggesting that whether and how he reincarnates will be up to him. And I guess the CCP is stuck on insisting that incarnation is real because otherwise the can't blame the current Dalai Llama for the politics of his previous lives?

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                Fault? I didn't mean to imply that China is responsible for starting the latest bout of civil war in Myanmar, because they weren't. There's really no reason to believe that whenever something bad happens, some outside big boogeyman is entirely to blame. If you want to know what caused the current civil war to start, try looking it up, but please don't make assumptions.

                If you can't look it up because of time constraints or other reasons, then accept that you don't know. It's impossible to know everything, so there's nothing wrong with not knowing some things. But imo not knowing something and knowing that you don't know, is a lot better than making assumptions and inventing alternate facts.

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                Where did I say it was China's fault? Even if I was being sarcastic that for once it wasn't the US, how did you interpret that I said it had to be China?

                PS: ah, was it the multipolar world thing? Ok, I was thinking in the sense of post-US. I'm just surprised that for once there isn't a bunch of people blaming "the west" for it. Maybe that's why people don't care about it.

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                • gsus4@mander.xyzG [email protected]

                  Where did I say it was China's fault? Even if I was being sarcastic that for once it wasn't the US, how did you interpret that I said it had to be China?

                  PS: ah, was it the multipolar world thing? Ok, I was thinking in the sense of post-US. I'm just surprised that for once there isn't a bunch of people blaming "the west" for it. Maybe that's why people don't care about it.

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                  My bad for assuming wrong.

                  And yeah, sarcasm with just text doesn't work very well, got to add something for making obvious that it is sarcasm, or plenty of people (me included as you saw) will assume otherwise.

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                    US foreign policy shill pretending to be a communist but defending Al Qaeda jihadis pretends not to know what question marks are.

                    So are you saying that your brainwashing is "objective" even though you're a Fox News "communist"? All I'm asking for is consistency.

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                    What are you even talking about lol. Wow your psychosis is bad.

                    If imperialism and colonialism is justifiable because we as outsiders find a practice abhorrent. Then you have just justified what the United States did to my family. Stealing their homes culture and religion. Would I have wanted to live as they did? Probably not. But we were never given the choice. Because it was stolen. This is what your advocating for. This is why you are rightfully called a hypocrite.

                    I get that you've never thought about it that far. That you aren't actually against anything bad that's happening. You are simply a Pro Vanguard campist unquestioningly. I'm sure you've never considered that someone could criticize one group's acts without defending anothers. That two things can be bad at the same time. And one bad thing does not justify another bad thing.

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                    • eldritch@lemmy.worldE [email protected]

                      What are you even talking about lol. Wow your psychosis is bad.

                      If imperialism and colonialism is justifiable because we as outsiders find a practice abhorrent. Then you have just justified what the United States did to my family. Stealing their homes culture and religion. Would I have wanted to live as they did? Probably not. But we were never given the choice. Because it was stolen. This is what your advocating for. This is why you are rightfully called a hypocrite.

                      I get that you've never thought about it that far. That you aren't actually against anything bad that's happening. You are simply a Pro Vanguard campist unquestioningly. I'm sure you've never considered that someone could criticize one group's acts without defending anothers. That two things can be bad at the same time. And one bad thing does not justify another bad thing.

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                      Psychosis: managing to suggest that I didn't ask any questions after I asked several dozen on purpose lol.

                      Try answering even one before you continue your mini incoherent script about "imperialism" and "colonialism" that entirely "coincidentally" is about religious extremists and separatists thar your heart bleeds for while you act like their compatriots who aren't literal jihadis and don't want anything to do with them don't exist.

                      Is it up to westies like you (but it's really your state department and intelligence services writing the crappy propaganda) to artificially blame some supposedly non-Tibetan central PRC of destroying Tibetan culture as if all Tibetans are united in favor of brainwashing kids? You sure? You act like it so prove it dude. Prove that there are no Tibetans that want to stop the religious and lowkey political indoctrination of children. Let's see you completely fail to prove any of your bs.

                      Not that you can make any argument whatsoever here, you just misuse the words imperialism and colonialism, ignoring that Tibetans themselves may be against religious extremism in their own culture and that's none of your business. Although even if they were all united and in favor of some messed up cultural practice that doesn't mean that everyone should respect it and allow it to continue. Like, you know, abolishing slavery despite it being "the culture of the South". You suggested peaceful means so slavery should have continued indefinitely because liberating slaves would be "imperialism" and "colonialism" to shills like you.

                      You're pretty much the shill type who also whines about Confederate general statues being removed as "cultural destruction".

                      Go on, let's see your proof that all Tibetans want to maintain feudal practices and indoctrination of kids by often politically motivated monks. We all know you're orientalists af and keep imagining Asians etc as eternally feudal rustic peasants that behave like crappy characters in kungfu films that can't possibly be secular or want modernization of their own culture that includes human rights. Tibetans themselves can't possibly want their sons and daughters to be educated, they definitely all want them to be just monks and farmers. We know about your orientalism as well as we know that the USA has been using "religious persecution" for decades as whataboutism against socialist states while intentionally funding the most extreme of them to create astroturfed separatist movements and destabilize sovereign nations. Prevent religious extremism? You're "imperialist" and "colonialist" lmao. Leave them alone? Enjoy a radical right fanatical separatist movement backed by the west. That's the rotten propaganda you're shilling for and the reason you have zero arguments so you resort to "leninist" and other weasely crap to poison the well like a good little propagandist.

                      So go on, where's your proof? Got any?

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