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    Does anyone remember an old blog post where someone used various Python language hacks to override boolean primitives, such that the statement false == true evaluated as true? I'm 90% sure it was python, but maybe it was some other language.

    I've been looking for that post recently, but haven't had any luck.

    Thanks to antagonistic for finding it! I guess it was less of an "exploit", and more of a "please don't touch the loaded foot-gun"

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      Does anyone remember an old blog post where someone used various Python language hacks to override boolean primitives, such that the statement false == true evaluated as true? I'm 90% sure it was python, but maybe it was some other language.

      I've been looking for that post recently, but haven't had any luck.

      Thanks to antagonistic for finding it! I guess it was less of an "exploit", and more of a "please don't touch the loaded foot-gun"

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      I feel like you hear fuckery like that more in JavaScript.

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        Does anyone remember an old blog post where someone used various Python language hacks to override boolean primitives, such that the statement false == true evaluated as true? I'm 90% sure it was python, but maybe it was some other language.

        I've been looking for that post recently, but haven't had any luck.

        Thanks to antagonistic for finding it! I guess it was less of an "exploit", and more of a "please don't touch the loaded foot-gun"

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        Maybe they did "False is True" because they're both the same Python object?

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          Does anyone remember an old blog post where someone used various Python language hacks to override boolean primitives, such that the statement false == true evaluated as true? I'm 90% sure it was python, but maybe it was some other language.

          I've been looking for that post recently, but haven't had any luck.

          Thanks to antagonistic for finding it! I guess it was less of an "exploit", and more of a "please don't touch the loaded foot-gun"

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          Python doesn't have true or false keywords, nor any other primitives by those names.

          So either you're thinking of a different language, or different identifiers, or someone assigned equal values to variables with those names and then blogged about it.

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            Does anyone remember an old blog post where someone used various Python language hacks to override boolean primitives, such that the statement false == true evaluated as true? I'm 90% sure it was python, but maybe it was some other language.

            I've been looking for that post recently, but haven't had any luck.

            Thanks to antagonistic for finding it! I guess it was less of an "exploit", and more of a "please don't touch the loaded foot-gun"

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            This?

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              Python doesn't have true or false keywords, nor any other primitives by those names.

              So either you're thinking of a different language, or different identifiers, or someone assigned equal values to variables with those names and then blogged about it.

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              This changed in 3.0 to my knowledge.
              Ref: https://wiki.python.org/moin/Python3.0#f

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                This?

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                Yes! Thanks

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                  This changed in 3.0 to my knowledge.
                  Ref: https://wiki.python.org/moin/Python3.0#f

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                  That change is about True and False, not true and false. If OP was thinking of the former pair, it would seem my "different identifiers" guess was correct.

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                    Does anyone remember an old blog post where someone used various Python language hacks to override boolean primitives, such that the statement false == true evaluated as true? I'm 90% sure it was python, but maybe it was some other language.

                    I've been looking for that post recently, but haven't had any luck.

                    Thanks to antagonistic for finding it! I guess it was less of an "exploit", and more of a "please don't touch the loaded foot-gun"

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                    The builtin names are True and False and they became keywords a while back. true and false are just ordinary variables that you can set to whatever you want.

                    Meanwhile, in Forth:

                    : 2 3 ; \ define 2 as 3
                    2 2 + .  6 ok   \ shows that 2+2 is now 6
                    
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                      Maybe they did "False is True" because they're both the same Python object?

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                      I just checked and they aren't.

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                        I just checked and they aren't.

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                        Maybe they defined them as variable names instead?

                        Or they could have just changed the language. Do you remember them compiling or editing C? (Python is usually run on cpython)

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                          Maybe they defined them as variable names instead?

                          Or they could have just changed the language. Do you remember them compiling or editing C? (Python is usually run on cpython)

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                          True is False gives false in Python 2.7.18 as well as 3.x. But, in 2.x, they aren't keywords, so you can say True=False=5 and then they are both the same object.

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                            True is False gives false in Python 2.7.18 as well as 3.x. But, in 2.x, they aren't keywords, so you can say True=False=5 and then they are both the same object.

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                            I really need to stop trusting how durable this language is.

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                              I feel like you hear fuckery like that more in JavaScript.

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                              Wat

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                                The builtin names are True and False and they became keywords a while back. true and false are just ordinary variables that you can set to whatever you want.

                                Meanwhile, in Forth:

                                : 2 3 ; \ define 2 as 3
                                2 2 + .  6 ok   \ shows that 2+2 is now 6
                                
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                                God I hated that about Python. Why tf we capitalizing True and False?

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                                  God I hated that about Python. Why tf we capitalizing True and False?

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                                  all builtin constants are capitalised.

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                                    God I hated that about Python. Why tf we capitalizing True and False?

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                                    They are constants, like None, which has always been around.

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                                      all builtin constants are capitalised.

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                                      All… five of them!

                                      The other 7 are all lowercase. (One of you ignore site)

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                                        All… five of them!

                                        The other 7 are all lowercase. (One of you ignore site)

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                                        yeah but dunders usually aren't included in counts

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                                          all builtin constants are capitalised.

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                                          And they also don't follow the conventions for constants otherwise, which are all caps.

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