Except climate change is a flood that won't go away for 10,000 years. There is no 'after' for the rich to benefit from.

So we should be able to get by with less labor, right?…

Sure. Or everyone gets more stuff for the same amount of labor.

Suppose your boss told you, "You've been doing a great job at work. We could give you 10% raise, or we could keep your salary the same and cut your hours by 10%." I don't know which you would choose, but most people would take the raise.

Agree so much with this perspective. I'll never forget idly watching some financial section on the news with the newscaster, ashen faced, reporting that growth in some industry had slowed, as though someone had died. Then I thought about it... So wait, it's still profitable, and that profit is even still increasing, but the rate of increase is slowing!? And little are still going to work and product is being made, yes? But the greedyy of those at the top aren't being completely fulfilled!?? Well bless my blessing heart... Crock of shit.

It did for a few hundred years before they became a vassal state of the US .. and wouldn't you know it the US is also in a birth rate crisis.

Isolationist culture is fine, you just can't mix it with the crushing reality of capitalism and it's negative effects on the ability of people to raise families.

I'm here to spread my seed.

Oh? You could optionally expand instead of just stopping at what the problem isn't.

I'm not sure why all the sarcasm. I mean, America's problems have all been solved.

I mean, Japan is one of the more isolationist countries on earth. And racism is a massive issue. Christianity isn't a major factor, but traditional views on the roles of women and the set up of the household are a major challenge.

This is an interesting point. So apparently the problems of having that terrible working culture are solved for (ish) to promote procreation, but it's not helping. Gee, I wonder if possibly creating a society of miserable people and making it easier for them to create more people they presume will be miserable doesn't work because they just don't want to do that.

If you didn't notice, those aren't Christian values.

Dude, Japan is so safe the cops are largely overglorified tourist and traffic guides. The kids run around alone all the time.

Japanese don’t. Unless it’s one of them in blackface.

Seriously, the racism there is painful.

Ah yeah I assumed you meant the extreme interpretations of Christian values.

The problems over there are the same problems Americans are starting to rekon with. That's why you see Vance and his ilk push for this fetishize version of the American dream where every MAGA male gets their own concubine.

Other comments had it so I didn't think it was necessary. Immigration can prop up a low birthrate but that can't last forever. Need to actually have a culture that supports procreation. And Japan doesn't really have that. Their work culture is directly responsible for it. I don't think that's something easily fixed. Financial incentives could help, but unless it's pretty hefty it probably wouldn't be enough.

And also, new technology is still being developed

So it's not even that all progress has stopped, things are still moving forwards

alot of asian countries, china, korea are very similar. china only allows less than 20k/year to become citizens, thier stipulation is you giving up your citizenship of other countries.

knew a chinese student at a university that was from chile, born there.

its mostly working 80+hrs a week, plus you have to have drinks after work with the boss,+ all the busy work. and then theres the child rear aspect, woman recieves very little if any support for being a mom, often time its chatised. and lastly HCOL.

pretty much the same in korea, i think korea is slightly worst off, china is beginning to see its effects too, they already trying to change that by "encouraging more sex", but they arnt solving the underlying issue, which is the one-child policy that devastated the female to male ratio and HCOL. and they also have harsh work ethic.