This is just like a stock crashing because the quarterly profits did not exceed the very high growth expectations more than a lot, they only exceeded a little.

From what i heard from people and read online, i really don't understand how people even do that. Japanese work etiquette is bananas. But that aside, my job is somewhat high demand, but i draw the line at work hours. I work 42 hours a week and not a second longer. That opens up enough times for some hobbies, enough free time and everything. But if i had kids, most of that would be gone. So if you're a work horse, you're expected to give up everything, except work and raising kids.

This problem is not isolated to Japan. Countries all across the world are facing the same issue and have been for a number of years.

Create a shitty, miserable, society with no rights or support, and people do not want to bring children into it.... who'd guess?

Exactly its not some mysterious problem no matter how much the government and media try to frame it as one, people of the age to have kids have no time for kids and no money for kids so no wonder they have no desire for kids.

Australia had a baby bonus for a while. It was a payment you'd get for giving birth to a child. I believe it was like $3K.

me and my ex already both tested poor before we had our first baby, so we went ahead with the abortion because the dotor determined he was going to be born poor anway

biologically speaking, the children of rich parents are much more likely to be born rich themselves

Bro, what? Biologically speaking? What are you talking about?
The kids of rich people are rich because their parents are rich. They grow up to be rich because they have their parents wealth, which they either use to create more, or just stay rich.
The fact that they're rich has nothing to do with their "biology".

What are you proposing anyway? That only rich people procreate and then somehow eventually everyone will be rich? If you can do simple math like addition and subtraction, you'll realize that that scenario is not possible.

Elysium but in New Zealand

slightly worst off

worse*

But what about housing? If you live in a shoebox with no hope of getting a larger place, it's unlikely that you're gonna have kids.

Well it does get a lot more expensive when almost everybody wants to live in the same tiny square of the country
Tokyo's population will decline in 2035 according to some estimates

I think we all largely get what you're speaking to but I feel compelled to highlight that you can't breed average people out. "Rulers" and "servants" are social classes, and not "in the gene pool."

The message got a little muddled there.

I've got flash news then: unless I want 70 years old people to work production lines, my job (a developer) can be done by a seventy years old person. Or a job of an artist. Or <insert bunch of professions here>. Physical strength does naturally deteriorate, and that is the only thing that actually is.

Now, to the more important: producing goods? Really? Since when has it become the only thing you look at? And since when producing goods is something only people-under-random-age-limit can do?

That an average situation? perhaps you were financially better off than the rest

week, plus you have to have drinks after work with the boss,+ all the busy work. and then theres the child rear aspect, woman recieves very little if any support for being a mom, often time its chatised. and lastly HCOL.
Yes. The societal structure is too rigid and is collapsing. IMHO

Countries all across the world

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate

That's certainly a take on "family business".

I didn't know KenM had ablemmy account!

Even if they did want children, without the support systems, it may not be feasible for them to have kids. Having them might mean choosing to starve or go without a house.

Even if you're in a country with a public health care system, a sick/young child means having to take time off work to care for them.

With Japan, they only have so much inhabitable land anyway. It's a mountainous island where all viable land is already pretty much taken.