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What is JD Vance's problem with Europe? Former diplomat shares his theory

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      Judging by the language and behaviour we've seen so far; I doubt it's at all sophisticated. 'Might is right' and the US should belittle and subjugate others because they can - it's their right and furthermore their duty to the American people! In other words, he's probably a straightforward imperialist. I don't know the guy though so if anyone can add nuance to that I'd be glad to understand better.

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        It's a southern thing, it enrages them that the coasts respect European culture while considering them backwards hicks, and that europeans aren't devoutly Christian like southerners believe everyone should be.

        The ruling class down there encourage this as an easily manufactured enemy to illustrate how evil a liberal atheist, moderately socialist culture is.

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          It's a southern thing, it enrages them that the coasts respect European culture while considering them backwards hicks, and that europeans aren't devoutly Christian like southerners believe everyone should be.

          The ruling class down there encourage this as an easily manufactured enemy to illustrate how evil a liberal atheist, moderately socialist culture is.

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          JD Vance is from Ohio, he's not a Southern.

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            Judging by the language and behaviour we've seen so far; I doubt it's at all sophisticated. 'Might is right' and the US should belittle and subjugate others because they can - it's their right and furthermore their duty to the American people! In other words, he's probably a straightforward imperialist. I don't know the guy though so if anyone can add nuance to that I'd be glad to understand better.

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            It's interesting that the budget of the American military includes social security and retirement plabs, while the europeans don't.

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              Could be that he just wants to be cool, one of the gang, saying what he thinks is cool right now. He is building his identity in the group.

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                JD Vance is from Ohio, he's not a Southern.

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                I know several people who never crossed mason dixine line with southern accents and confederate flags. Like live we near candian border. Wtf?

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                  I think one of the core issues is that the heterosectional has the moral compass of a windsock

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                    Judging by the language and behaviour we've seen so far; I doubt it's at all sophisticated. 'Might is right' and the US should belittle and subjugate others because they can - it's their right and furthermore their duty to the American people! In other words, he's probably a straightforward imperialist. I don't know the guy though so if anyone can add nuance to that I'd be glad to understand better.

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                    He probably can't grasp how much return the US was getting out of their geopolitical position. Same with the tariffs and humanitarian aid.

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                      I know several people who never crossed mason dixine line with southern accents and confederate flags. Like live we near candian border. Wtf?

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                      I live in Canada and have seen the Confederate flag greater than 0 times in Alberta. It's odd.

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                        I know several people who never crossed mason dixine line with southern accents and confederate flags. Like live we near candian border. Wtf?

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                        Makes me laugh when I see the confederate flag in Pennsylvania, considering the Confederates invaded PA. Gettysburg is right fucking there and yet some still think it’s some cool rebel flag. Idiots.

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                          JD Vance is from Ohio, he's not a Southern.

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                          He is from the Cincinnati area, which borders Kentucky, and he spent some of his youth in Kentucky. Not a proper southerner, but from the gradient where North becomes South.

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                            Is it that he's a cunt?

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                              He probably can't grasp how much return the US was getting out of their geopolitical position. Same with the tariffs and humanitarian aid.

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                              I've always been curious exactly how much the US benefited from their geopolitical position. I suspect it's a huge amount and I guess now we'll get to find out.

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                                He's a fascist, and is disgusted by European Social Democracy. This is why they're aligning the US with Russia, because they're a fellow fascist oligarchy.

                                It's really not that complicated.

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                                  I know several people who never crossed mason dixine line with southern accents and confederate flags. Like live we near candian border. Wtf?

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                                  The North-South divide transformed into a rural-urban divide over the course of the 20th century, especially following the Civil Rights & Voting Rights Acts of 1964, and the subsequent Southern Strategy employed by the Nixon (and subsequent Republican) campaigns. The strategy appealed to southern whites, as well as whites in suburbia and rural communities, which a lot of the Midwest and heartland states are. On top of that, add-on the collapse of Midwestern industry, with the capitol flight being blamed on Democrat policy, and you get a severe cultural shift towards neo-Confederate sympathy.

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                                    Here some background info, about his tattoos.

                                    The main tattoo, the Jerusalem cross, used to be a symbol in heraldy. But since the 2000's it's bacome a symbol appropriated by rightwinged Christian American nationalist extremism (nazis) according to wiki :

                                    "In the 2000s in the United States, the Crusades became an object of focus for some white supremacists along with related iconography including the Jerusalem Cross. Matthew Taylor, who specializes in Christian extremism, said that the Jerusalem cross "doesn't always necessarily connote an endorsement of the Crusades" but far-right and neo-Nazi groups use the symbol."

                                    So ofcourse he won't like a non-American, democracies country, with no (nazi) values. As a selfappointed crusader, he probably prefers to launch a "crusade to purge the system.

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                                      I've always been curious exactly how much the US benefited from their geopolitical position. I suspect it's a huge amount and I guess now we'll get to find out.

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                                      The amount of soft power the US uses globally is massive, too much and too complex for the current administration to grasp

                                      They only see the primary effects: “we are losing money”

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                                        The North-South divide transformed into a rural-urban divide over the course of the 20th century, especially following the Civil Rights & Voting Rights Acts of 1964, and the subsequent Southern Strategy employed by the Nixon (and subsequent Republican) campaigns. The strategy appealed to southern whites, as well as whites in suburbia and rural communities, which a lot of the Midwest and heartland states are. On top of that, add-on the collapse of Midwestern industry, with the capitol flight being blamed on Democrat policy, and you get a severe cultural shift towards neo-Confederate sympathy.

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                                        I can get being anti dem. I just don't get why they waving flag of slavers in northern states when their ancestors were immigrants after civil war or fought for north. Its the same energy as nazi flag in homes were grandpa killed nazis. Like wtf? Isn't the GOP/maga flag enough?

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                                          The amount of soft power the US uses globally is massive, too much and too complex for the current administration to grasp

                                          They only see the primary effects: “we are losing money”

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                                          Which is like saying “we are losing money to the grocery store…”

                                          So their response is to stop eating… they don’t grasp it’s not LOSING money it BUYING influence.

                                          I have to believe they get this and want to divert that money to their own profits while screaming “efficiency!”

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