hexbear.net comically loses its domain name
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Don't get me wrong - I certainly earn most of the downvotes I get. That was just a weird one that caught me off-guard. It is as you say.
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Ah, I get you now lol
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The Western capitalist states just did a twenty year long “war on terror” based on lies, causing the deaths of millions, and are complicit in
supporting a 15 month long genocide of Palestinians, and you’re super-concerned about China’s human rights abuses as reported by those same Western states, which are virulently anti-communist and known to push BS anti-communist narratives for the last century?Neither Washington nor Beijing, but actually Washington.
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The difference nobody's denying (well I'm sure the right-wing nut jobs anyways) it.
And also now you've just devolved into the classic tankie "whataboutism" as if what the West does at all excuses what China/Russia are doing.
The censorship and suppression of freedoms in China are well documented.
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Oh right. When I first heard about Lemmy, I tried to join .ml because it was the first instance I was made aware of. I think it was being rate limited at the time due to that whole reddit exodus thing, and I wasn't able to get through, but. .world let me sign up so here I am.
I'd like to think that members of a given instance have their own opinions. It's sad to hear about how territorial lemmy is.
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It's sad to hear about how territorial lemmy is.
Not really territorial, more... despises authoritarianism in all its forms lol.
While I'm sure there are plenty of non-tankie .ml users, the problem is with the admins and mods being the biggest Tankies around who enforce the "Tankie ideology" throughout.
Go checkout .ml memes, anything posted that's Tankie-like will even sometimes get tons of downvotes as the post gets federated to non-Tankie instances but never removed.
Conversely, anything posted that's even slightly critical of China/Russia is quickly removed under the catch-all "Rule 1 bigotry" (You'll have to check the modlog for that)
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Whoever told you that had an agenda.
First, communism is an economic theory. A very stripped down version of the theory is this: It proposes that the rich have obtained their wealth through the exploitation of workers. They justify the exploitation by “owning” the raw materials, tools, factories, land, and other apparatuses that the workers need to produce things. But without workers those things could not be converted or used to convert raw materials into goods. The theory suggests that the workers should own those things instead of the rich people. The idea is that the workers would then share amongst each other because, being of the same class, they are naturally more likely to care about the needs of the others in that class. Whatever your opinion or critique of this general idea, it is an idea not a cult.
Like all theories that have some level of popularity it has a lot of variations and sub theories. Some are more idealistic than others. These factions have a lot of history with one another a review of the Russian revolution and lead up show the kind of factionalism that exists with the movement. If you study revolutions you know that this is common.
Second, people have used virtually any ideal to justify atrocities. We should not throw out an idea only because someone somewhere used it to justify violence.
Third dogma is a problem. It is used in communist communities in the same way that it is used in the Catholic Church, to try and prevent descension. As noted above communist movements tend to have a lot of factions but the one that gains the most traction always tries to force the others into line. This is common wherever there are new ideas being implemented as policy.
This is likely why people think communism is intent on murdering its enemies. However, every revolution, Russian, French, Haitian, United States, etc. used violence and murder to achieve its goal.
Communists also say that capitalism murders people every day, and they die with a smile on their face. A pittance of a paycheck goes in their widow’s purse while they have died without realizing that they were exploited to death.
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Socialism is the theory that workers should own the means of production. Communism is the theory that the workers should massacre the owners in order to get them. While socialism describes an ideal state of society, communism is explicitly a program for mass murder to achieve a much more vague definition of an ideal society. That is why, after establishing a communist state, communist governments continue to seek out and purge or murder heretics against the Marxist-Leninist state ideology (or "Mao Zedong thought"). Communism is not a theory, as dialectical materialism likes to pretend it is. At its best, communism is a political cult that attract white middle class college freshman. At its worst, communism is a state religion with all the inquisitions and mass murder and auto-genocide that comes with that.
Communism is unintelligible without perceived enemies of the working class. This was not a perversion by Lenin or Stalin; this is baked into the DNA of the writings of Marx, who dedicated a few thousand pages to misdescribing the economics of capitalism and his fantasies for mass murder, but comparatively few pages describing what the end result of that revolution looks like.
I can intellectually respect a Socialist who is convinced that the world would be better if all companies were worker coops, or if all business were regulated by state councils of proletarian soviets. I do not respect anybody claiming to be a communist in precisely the same way that I don't respect anyone claiming to be a Nazi; they are equally evil and murderous ideologies that are responsible for tens if not over a hundred million deaths throughout the 20th century. Anybody who endorses this ideology in the 21st century is as low as a fucking neo-Nazi
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They don’t care, mission was accomplished in November of last year.
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Arguing terminology is not really that helpful here, nazis called themselves socialists. And very few countries with “democratic republic of” in their name are democratic republics.
The terms Socialism and Communism have been used interchangeably since the beginning. This move to split socialism off is both a move by some within the movement to be more palatable to liberals and a move by opposition from without to further factionalize the movement. However, many people use the terms interchangeably or use communism to differentiate themselves from capitalist liberals claiming to be socialists.
Specific subsets of communism/socialism like Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, vanguard theory and various other implementations of communism are violent, should be criticized and learned from.
All this is to say plenty of people claiming to be communists do not want widespread suffering or genocide. They may be willing to use force to implement their ideas, but so are the adherents of nearly every other ideology.
Nazis always want racial segregation and the of Jews. Communists want equity. Nazis want superiority.
What you are focused on is Vanguard Communism which proposes that because the workers are not yet educated enough to understand that communism is better for them, a group of communists should make a totalitarian government. That totalitarian government will then shepherd the country to total communism.
History shows that this form of communism generally falls to corruption and they never get to full on communism. The proponents of this view always blame outside influences (like the west), while conveniently ignoring that power corrupts everyone.
Cuba is often shown as an example of successful vanguard communism. However it still hasn’t fully divested the communist party of its totalitarian power, and a lot of migrants move to Florida. So, it doesn’t really meet the criteria in my eyes.
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Communism is an ideology about murdering capitalists. That is baked into its DNA. Maybe some western European philosophy professors came along in the 1950s and sanitized the idea for their undergrads, but the idea is and always has been about violently overthrowing capital owners. You discount Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, and vanguard theory, despite this covering virtually 99% of all communists who have ever lived.
Nazis want to impose a pseudoscientific system of racial hygiene and they massacred anyone who got in their way. Communists want worker ownership of the means of production and the massacred anyone who got in their way. I see no difference.
Cuba is often shown as an example of successful vanguard communism. However it still hasn’t fully divested the communist party of its totalitarian power, and a lot of migrants move to Florida. So, it doesn’t really meet the criteria in my eyes.
Cuba is an authoritarian regime which should be overthrown and replaced with a liberal democracy. It is absolutely not a success story
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Yeah this does prove a failing point for the fediverse that is an important part of larger adoption. This still mostly exists in large part by communal effort even if the community doesn't appreciate it or recognize it
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Wait, postage stamps can be cancelled?
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It was by the largest (by a fair margin) socialist-aligned subreddit, but in practice it was like 60% shitposts. Was originally associated with the eponymous podcast, but the hosts have repeatedly said they disliked it.
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Ah right. Appreciate the info!
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That stamp knows what it did.
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It's not rhetorical. ML, Leninism is called that because it literally isn't communism. Otherwise they'd just call it communism. It's a cunning master plan to build an economy capable of somehow transitioning to communism. How? Good question. Even the ideologies creators didn't really explain it properly. It literally fits the 3 step meme.
Step 1: slaughter everyone that disagrees with you.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: communism!
My criticism of Leninism isn't defense of anyone. As an anarchist I'm anti-authoritarian whether they're liberal/leninist/maoist. You're all a danger to yourselves and everyone else. Regardless of how much everyone despising each other or constant whataboutism. Under capitalism oligarchs buy our representation. Turn them against us. Putting the boot at our necks. Under leninism. The Vanguard party consolidates power. Killing or imprisoning anyone who is a threat no matter how small. And rewarding friends and family with wealth and power. All the while the boot at the throat of the proletariat they're supposed to be serving. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. They all need to be torn down.
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Yeah, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Go listen to some people that don’t use PragerU talking points.
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They were established 4+ years ago just to cause the dnc to lose an election in 2024?
