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Italy to require VPN and DNS providers to block pirated content

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  • W [email protected]

    How many of these soccer stadiums have been build with tax payer money?

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    I think all the big stadiums actually used for these big matches are privately built and owned?

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    • G [email protected]

      The only options you have are:

      • Dazn Standard (45€/month, 35€/month if you pay for 12 months) to get access to all the SerieA matches (and a whole bunch of other sports nobody cares about)

      • Dazn Goal Pass (20€/month, 14€/month if you pay for 12 months) to get access to 3 SerieA matches per week which you don't get to choose (and a bunch of other sports nobody cares about)

      • Sky (16€/month for the first 18 months, then whatever Sky wants after that) to get access to 3 SerieA matches per week which you don't get to choose (and a bunch of other stuff nobody cares about)

      Most people care only about some specific matches, so your only option is Dazn.

      Dazn is also a very crappy service, it often has connectivity problems and also has ads. Fun fact, if you get a connection issue while watching a Dazn ad, it will restart.

      So, as usual, monopoly, high costs and crappy services drive piracy.

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      Important note: wages in Italy are VERY low.
      45€/month is a significant expense.

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        Never heard of forcing VPN providers to block something. Kinda defeats the purpose. Long live Tor I guess?

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        France has been attempting the exact same thing recently.

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        • cm0002@lemmy.worldC [email protected]
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          "The Internet sees censorship as damage and routes around it."

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            Not mentionning that anyone can set up their own VPN server… Good fucking luck with that 💀

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            I bet there comes the day that I need to share access to my server to allow people from other countries accessing the real free web through me…

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            • G [email protected]

              The only options you have are:

              • Dazn Standard (45€/month, 35€/month if you pay for 12 months) to get access to all the SerieA matches (and a whole bunch of other sports nobody cares about)

              • Dazn Goal Pass (20€/month, 14€/month if you pay for 12 months) to get access to 3 SerieA matches per week which you don't get to choose (and a bunch of other sports nobody cares about)

              • Sky (16€/month for the first 18 months, then whatever Sky wants after that) to get access to 3 SerieA matches per week which you don't get to choose (and a bunch of other stuff nobody cares about)

              Most people care only about some specific matches, so your only option is Dazn.

              Dazn is also a very crappy service, it often has connectivity problems and also has ads. Fun fact, if you get a connection issue while watching a Dazn ad, it will restart.

              So, as usual, monopoly, high costs and crappy services drive piracy.

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              🤮

              Imagine stuffing so much cash in the butt of a rich guy, only to look how other, most likely better earners than you, play against each others using a tiny ball.

              I don’t get sports fanatics…

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              • engineergaming@feddit.nlE [email protected]

                You can ban big hosting providers, but even here they're cautious with measures like that because it would break WAY too much. Not to mention that you could just use a lesser-known one, even if it doesn't operate in the country legally.

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                I’d like to see them ban Microsoft azure, aws, or whatever Google calls it. Not to mention the numerous smaller providers.

                Italians will just pay with crypto to get around payment bans.

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                  Not mentionning that anyone can set up their own VPN server… Good fucking luck with that 💀

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                  Or vpn hopping, works too.

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                  • cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.winC [email protected]

                    Don't combine. Just use tor or a VPN.

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                    I'll stop combining them when Tor can punch through the censorship in this country

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                    • E [email protected]

                      I think all the big stadiums actually used for these big matches are privately built and owned?

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                      That would be unusual. Most sports stadiums in most major cities are heavily subsidized by the city/state (e.g. tax payers), especially in public transportation. I'd be surprised if even a small % were 100% privately funded.

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                      • davidga@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                        By banning and blocking all VPN providers not based in Italy.

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                        So by going harder on blocking content that China? Because that's what they do but most of the big providers get through after a day or two of downtime each time the government make a change to block them.

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                          Can’t you just vpn to another vpn ?

                          I’m not an expert on internet security but I do know there is no way in hell to legislate around blocking internet. Even China’s great firewall isn’t working.

                          I guess by passing legislation like this you get most people to be compliant, but this is about pirates, who were already actively non compliant in the first place.

                          The folks who pirate the content are literally going to have to click one extra button or something like that to work around the vpns trying to block stuff…

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                            Australia already has this, but it is extremely easy to circumvent, just use a different VPN.

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                            • akasazh@feddit.nlA [email protected]

                              They will use it to jail anyone caught using the internet illegally. Most likely people that are ideologically opposed to them.

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                              It's Italy, there is no chance of that efficiency.
                              This is - as usual - stuff done to prevent pirated sport content.
                              Nothing else has ever and probably will ever be done.

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                                Are there even any decent VPN providers operating in Italy? What is the point of this?

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                                  How exactly will they force compliance for companies not based in Italy, or even the EU?

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                                  Better yet, how will they determine what is “pirated content”?

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                                    Australia already has this, but it is extremely easy to circumvent, just use a different VPN.

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                                    Don't even have to go that far, just change your DNS to a non-Australian one. Anything that turns up from a "top 10 dns providers" search works.

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                                      • D [email protected]

                                        Can’t you just vpn to another vpn ?

                                        I’m not an expert on internet security but I do know there is no way in hell to legislate around blocking internet. Even China’s great firewall isn’t working.

                                        I guess by passing legislation like this you get most people to be compliant, but this is about pirates, who were already actively non compliant in the first place.

                                        The folks who pirate the content are literally going to have to click one extra button or something like that to work around the vpns trying to block stuff…

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                                        I'm sure there will be workarounds.

                                        I think there are plenty of people who would be pirates if it were more convenient, but I suspect the point of diminishing returns for legislation has already been passed. If you're savvy and dedicated enough to use a VPN in the first place, then this probably won't stop you. Non-tech-savvy people are already turned off of torrents for half a dozen different reasons.

                                        DNS, though? That will block a lot of people from accessing things like Z-library, which is currently easy enough to access for anyone who knows how to use Google.

                                        China's measures have been largely successful, unfortunately. It's still possible to VPN out, but it's a risk a lot of people are unwilling to take since it could realistically get them in trouble. I've lost contact with some friends in China because we have no shared platforms and the increasing blocking measures over the past 10 years finally passed their tolerance threshold.

                                        I guess I could figure out how to use iMessage, which AFAIK is the only end-to-end encrypted messaging service that still works (or at least the only moderately popular one). Makes me wonder how secure it really is if China hasn't banned it...

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                                          Are there even any decent VPN providers operating in Italy? What is the point of this?

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                                          I think airvpn is based in Italy

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