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New Refrigerators, Washing Machines, Furniture and Tires Will All Have to Last Longer, Europe Mandates

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  • T [email protected]

    Not quite, something like 98% of road damage is caused by trucks. Damage increases exponentially with weight.

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    Passenger cars are getting heavier
    Light trucks (SUVs) are now being driven in lieu of compact station-wagons.

    Vehicle classes are also getting larger and heavier. Subcompacts that used to weigh less than 1000kg are now about 1500kg and EV variants are over 2000kg!

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      I don’t even understand what fascism means in each case on lemmy and whether it is a fixed term or some adaptive catch it all

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      What exactly is there to dispute with a government that is trying to carve a unitary executive out of a 3 branch system, admires Nazis, has ties to actual neo-Nazis and leaders who have literally seig heiled, and is currently turning an agency into the gestapo and deporting anyone he wants to concentration camps?

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      • T [email protected]

        Exactly this. Wifi is awesome. Some opaque server on the internet is not. Let me home assistant the shit out that load of dishes.

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        And have an easily accessed setting to turn it all off if you don't want it. I'd even be okay with a physical switch. The short answere is, your appliance should do what you and only you want it to do, and you should be able to enforce that.

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          I've heard this from service techs who have worked on my refrigerator and dishwasher - major appliances in America last a third as long as they did 10 or 15 years ago.

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          Money burns the world to the ground

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            I've heard this from service techs who have worked on my refrigerator and dishwasher - major appliances in America last a third as long as they did 10 or 15 years ago.

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            they are truly junk. the only goal of American industry, it seems, is to make more money than ever.

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            • salvo@aussie.zoneS [email protected]

              Passenger cars are getting heavier
              Light trucks (SUVs) are now being driven in lieu of compact station-wagons.

              Vehicle classes are also getting larger and heavier. Subcompacts that used to weigh less than 1000kg are now about 1500kg and EV variants are over 2000kg!

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              I am talking about 40.000kg trucks. Anything below 3.500kg is basically harmless (in comparison).

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                Imagine - government actually being "of the people, by the people, and for the people" - what a crazy SoCiAlIsM conspiracy!

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                Longer means more forever chemicals

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                • T [email protected]

                  I am talking about 40.000kg trucks. Anything below 3.500kg is basically harmless (in comparison).

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                  It depends on what the roads were built for.

                  If they are built to handle 1500kg passenger cars, 3500kg behemoth SUVs and Pickups can really do some damage, especially at speed.

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                    Longer means more forever chemicals

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                    Right, so if they break down faster the forever chemicals disappear faster. Is that what you mean?

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                    • B [email protected]

                      That's weird. I tried IKEA first and they died super quick too.
                      Only thing that makes sense to me is they are somehow overheating which doesn't make sense since they weren't fully enclosed and room temp is normal.

                      Maybe I've give them ago again, it was 5+ years ago I tried them.

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                      I’ve been running Tradfri lamps from IKEA for over 5 years now with little issue. But I have them always somewhat dimmed. Not sure if that would make a difference.

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                      • salvo@aussie.zoneS [email protected]

                        It depends on what the roads were built for.

                        If they are built to handle 1500kg passenger cars, 3500kg behemoth SUVs and Pickups can really do some damage, especially at speed.

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                        I don't know of any road built for 1.500kg cars. Most are 40t, with some 12t and very few narrow and old ones with 3.5t (and usually have a 30 km/h limit).

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                        • L [email protected]

                          I've heard this from service techs who have worked on my refrigerator and dishwasher - major appliances in America last a third as long as they did 10 or 15 years ago.

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                          And that's nothing. You know how they're pushing for washing machines, dishwashers, etc. to be internet connected? Currently they're forcing this for data mining purposes. But I have no doubt their real goal is to eventually make these devices like printers, with expensive consumables locked in by internet-connected DRM. They've already gotten people used to using dish and clothes detergent pods. How long until they're putting everything in plastic cartridges, locking things down with DRM, and charging like printer companies do?

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                            Oh look! So much progress is being made since USA embargoed itself!

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                              they are truly junk. the only goal of American industry, it seems, is to make more money than ever.

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                              Always has been.

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                              • thebat@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                                And work without apps.

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                                They should just force them to open the API, this would be sufficient in most cases.

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                                • T [email protected]

                                  Britain (where I live) left the EU because lots of people where unhappy and Leave ran a much better campaign that Remain (and lied a couple of times). Racism probably also had something to do with it but that's hard to prove.

                                  It wasn't really about markets because most voters don't know enough about them to decide based on them.

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                                  Most voters rely on the campaign communications which was not equally good. Is it too far fetched to think that Remain was intentionally bad?

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                                  • B [email protected]

                                    Allow people to finance the products over the entire expected lifetime.

                                    So you want to capture regulation in the name of the banks and whatever presumably private (because markets!!!11) agency does the life expectancy rating while simultaneously letting the manufacturers off the hook warranty-wise. Got you.

                                    Some people speculated that Britain left the EU because they believe in markets whereas many EU countries don’t.

                                    Those people are stupid. At least in so far as "they" refers to Britons at large. If with "they" you mean certain nobs and posh folks and with "market" you mean "offshore tax havens" then you have a point.

                                    Brexit was pushed for by Atlas network members, notably against opposition from Atlas members from anywhere else in the world, right before the EU started tightening regulations on tax havens. Coincidence? You tell me. The rest of those neoliberal fucks rather pay taxes than burn the cake they're eating.

                                    We will see in 20 years if the EU can stay on top of its regulations.

                                    The EU commission, back then in the form of the ECSC High Authority, has been doing this stuff since 1952. All European post-war prosperity is based on this kind of approach. Details differ but by and large the European economical policy is ordoliberal.

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                                    Manufacturers are not off the hook. If they are not reliable then the expected runtime is low and their monthly payments go up.

                                    the European economical policy is ordoliberal

                                    Without Britain, it could become more ordo than liberal.

                                    We don't have to prevent this regulation. However we should prepare ourselves to prevent the appliance market to become like the housing market. Citizens are unable to make a change there. That shouldn't be ignored when other markets are regulated more.

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                                      Manufacturers are not off the hook. If they are not reliable then the expected runtime is low and their monthly payments go up.

                                      the European economical policy is ordoliberal

                                      Without Britain, it could become more ordo than liberal.

                                      We don't have to prevent this regulation. However we should prepare ourselves to prevent the appliance market to become like the housing market. Citizens are unable to make a change there. That shouldn't be ignored when other markets are regulated more.

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                                      Manufacturers are not off the hook. If they are not reliable then the expected runtime is low and their monthly payments go up.

                                      If you're a manufacturer and you're not sure whether your product can last 10 years then you're free to contact an insurer and hash something out with them. Still, the buck stops with the manufacturer everything else is pointless bureaucracy. Shit broke? Manufacturer is on the hook, replace it. Simple as that. Not "customer now has to deal with a bank and the manufacturer and a rating agency".

                                      However we should prepare ourselves to prevent the appliance market to become like the housing market.

                                      I don't see much speculative capital flowing into home appliance rentals and turning regular home appliance rentals into short-term high-profit rentals.

                                      There's not even an oversupply of luxury appliances at the expense of reasonably-priced ones.

                                      Quite literally nothing about the housing market issue has anything to do with what's going on on the home appliance one, or with overregulation. Sure, in places there's regulations to re-think or even straight abolish, e.g. parking minimums, but generally building codes don't make stuff more expensive. Least of all on a macroeconomic level. The issue, for a long time, were ROI expectations of investors. It's a general problem in the economy: Too many rich fucks with too much money, not knowing what to do with it, where to invest it, but still wanting their 8% because... why. They're already filthily rich.

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                                      • L [email protected]

                                        I've heard this from service techs who have worked on my refrigerator and dishwasher - major appliances in America last a third as long as they did 10 or 15 years ago.

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                                        My washing machine is around 25 years old. Not giving it up till its absolutely done haha. But since parts are relatively available, it might just be a few more years.

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                                          Back to the good old days when products were of higher quality. What a concept.

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                                          And to a world where repairing is both possible and feasible.

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